Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018

[ReginaldDwight]

Thinking about what the Cavs offer for Bledsoe.

if its not the nets first I hang up right away.

[Triple 7]

Huge 4 teamer

Bucks get : Howard/Hood
Hornets get: Middleton/Mudiay/Faried/Delly
Nuggets get: Walker
Jazz get: Franky K

This is beyond awful for us. Howard is a negative and Hood just slightly positive.

Howard is not a negative. Howard is not a negative. Howard is not a negative

I guess it depends on which metric you're using.

Among NBA 5s with at least 500 minutes played this year, Howard ranks 46th with a -16.04 TPA. Defensively he's having a great year. 61.5 Defensive Points Saved, which ranks 7th in the NBA among centers. But he is an absolute disaster on offense, with -77.54 Offensive Points Added. 2nd worst amongst centers in the NBA. And he's got his highest usage rating since the Orlando years.

https://nbamath.com/2017-18-nba-tpa/

Whether or not you believe in TPA as a stat, it's hard to deny that Howard would clog the paint for Giannis.

[jakecronus8]

Thinking about what the Cavs offer for Bledsoe.

if its not the nets first I hang up right away.

Hoping for an epic collapse and retool. I think we'd have to up the ante but I could see them more willing to move that pick in a Bledsoe related deal than a Jordan one as he has that extra year of control.

[Wonka]

How often do players get traded to a third team in a season though? I don’t see any scenario in which we trade Bledsoe, for better or for worse

[BroncoBuck]

How often do players get traded to a third team in a season though? I don’t see any scenario in which we trade Bledsoe, for better or for worse

Just happened to Ibaka last season

[BroncoBuck]

Come to think of it, how many teams was Ersan on last year?

[M-C-G]

Luke Ridnour like two years ago I think set a record for teams in a season


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[DrWood]

Bledsoe is not the problem. Possibly the way he's being used is part of the problem, but that will apply to almost anyone acquired while Kidd is coach.

[MilHammer]

I said it when we acquired him. We got essentially the PG version of Monroe. Bledsoe is a killer 6th man, let him pound the ball and score in bunches against lesser guard talent. I'd rather have a less ball dominant, pass first, 3pt threat at the 1 that's just there to provide spacing and help Giannis with ballhandling responsibilities.

[Brewhoopfan]

Bledsoe is not the problem. Possibly the way he's being used is part of the problem, but that will apply to almost anyone acquired while Kidd is coach.

THIS! With some actual coaching instilling some discipline, Bledsoe is a plus defensively and a closer on offense. With the Bucks, he needs to figure it out on his own. (AKA - not happening)

[cameroncrazies2]

I said it when we acquired him. We got essentially the PG version of Monroe. Bledsoe is a killer 6th man, let him pound the ball and score in bunches against lesser guard talent. I'd rather have a less ball dominant, pass first, 3pt threat at the 1 that's just there to provide spacing and help Giannis with ballhandling responsibilities.

You mean...like Malcolm Brogdon?

[Frank Nova]

Thinking about what the Cavs offer for Bledsoe.

IT and TT for Bledsoe Delly and Maker? Something along those lines maybe?

[Triple 7]

I said it when we acquired him. We got essentially the PG version of Monroe. Bledsoe is a killer 6th man, let him pound the ball and score in bunches against lesser guard talent. I'd rather have a less ball dominant, pass first, 3pt threat at the 1 that's just there to provide spacing and help Giannis with ballhandling responsibilities.

I don't agree. Bledsoe is a hell of a talent. PG is stacked right now in the NBA though so he's basically middle of the pack. But still, without Bledsoe the Bucks would be even worse. In the proper system with the right players around him, Bledsoe would thrive. I used to watch the Clippers when Bledsoe was with them, he set guys up constantly with lobs. The Bucks current personnel doesn't afford him that luxury outside of Giannis.

Yes the Bucks might be better off with a 3-D PG but Bledsoe was available. Besides, Bledsoe's combo of speed, strength and defense adds a new dynamic to this team.

[jakecronus8]

How often do players get traded to a third team in a season though? I don’t see any scenario in which we trade Bledsoe, for better or for worse

Iirc, sheed played one game for Atlanta before being sent to Detroit.

[Badgerlander]

Bledsoe for Zeller+Monk along with Henson+Wilson (or Vaughn if they want a salary dump) for MKG? Willing to add in Snell and Thon for Lamb and Frank...

[raferfenix]

What do we offer the Knicks for Willy Hernangomez?

I think there will be a change: I hope for the better, it can’t get worse than this. I would like to stay here, but I don’t close doors to anything. What I want is to play. There’s a few weeks left till the trade deadline and I want to play.

I’ve enjoyed the experience of playing in New York. I love the city, the fans, my teammates…. but I’m 23, I’m ambitious, I’m hungry and want to play. I don’t care where. I’m ready for whatever and working to change this situation and play.

http://www.marca.com/baloncesto/nba/2018/01/22/5a658814e2704ed40a8b45d9.html

[M-C-G]

I said it when we acquired him. We got essentially the PG version of Monroe. Bledsoe is a killer 6th man, let him pound the ball and score in bunches against lesser guard talent. I'd rather have a less ball dominant, pass first, 3pt threat at the 1 that's just there to provide spacing and help Giannis with ballhandling responsibilities.

He has been pretty deferring,the problem is without a doubt, we brought in a PnR point guard and we are using him as a spot up shooter that can decide to drive when the ball is kicked to him. Basically, we are once again using a player to their weaknesses and completely ignoring their strengths so we can play team ball, which ends up turning into ISO anyway with everyone standing around.

[leroyjw10]

If we dealt Bledsoe, we'd go back to the absolute crap guard defense. That said for the right deal and with a new coach I'd listen. Would be like acquiring Brandon and flipping him for Cassell 18 months later.

Bledsoe, Snell, Telly for Kemba and Dwight works for me.

I don't disagree that Bledsoe is a better man-to-man defender than Brogdon or Delly, but he also gambles a lot more. And while sometimes this results in a steal, I'd guess more often than not it results in more scrambling and more open looks for the other team. Steals look great in the box score, but I'd much rather they come within the framework of good, solid team defense.

For example, the Bucks defense had a 105.3 defensive rating through October, 19th in the league at the time and before Bledsoe arrived. Not great, but not horrible. If they had maintained that rating, though, they'd be 14th in the NBA.

For the season, the Bucks defense has a 107.6 defensive rating, 25th in the league. So the Bucks team defense has actually been considerably worse since Bledsoe arrived. I'm not wholly pinning this on Bledsoe as this defense has all sorts of problems, but I don't think you can discount the smart team defense Brogdon and Delly play.

I would guess Thon getting more minutes since the trade and being absolutely awful is far more likely the culprit for the numbers you are posting. I mean, we aren’t bad without Thon. We are awful with him on the court.


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Don't disagree on Thon. My point is more that Bledsoe isn't a vastly superior player for our team defense than Brogdon, primarily. Just think that Bledsoe's overall impact on our defense is overrated.

[M-C-G]

I don't disagree that Bledsoe is a better man-to-man defender than Brogdon or Delly, but he also gambles a lot more. And while sometimes this results in a steal, I'd guess more often than not it results in more scrambling and more open looks for the other team. Steals look great in the box score, but I'd much rather they come within the framework of good, solid team defense.

For example, the Bucks defense had a 105.3 defensive rating through October, 19th in the league at the time and before Bledsoe arrived. Not great, but not horrible. If they had maintained that rating, though, they'd be 14th in the NBA.

For the season, the Bucks defense has a 107.6 defensive rating, 25th in the league. So the Bucks team defense has actually been considerably worse since Bledsoe arrived. I'm not wholly pinning this on Bledsoe as this defense has all sorts of problems, but I don't think you can discount the smart team defense Brogdon and Delly play.

I would guess Thon getting more minutes since the trade and being absolutely awful is far more likely the culprit for the numbers you are posting. I mean, we aren’t bad without Thon. We are awful with him on the court.


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Don't disagree on Thon. My point is more that Bledsoe isn't a vastly superior player for our team defense than Brogdon, primarily. Just think that Bledsoe's overall impact on our defense is overrated.

Hard to say given every defensive unit is seemingly ****. I'd wager the problem isn't really tied to any one given player so much as the scheme which has been discussed to death.

I mean, one year ago all we heard on these boards was how Jabari was single handedly killing our defense, fast forward a year, no Parker, no Mirza, no Beasley, added a quick PG with a good reputation for defense and our overall defense is actually worse. It is becoming apparent this isn't some type of algebra equation were the pieces have significant meaning in the value, like everyone would expect anyway.

[Ron Swanson]

Lol at calling Bledsoe a 6th man.