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[giannis and 1]

Complaining about losing nothing players like Forbes and Merrill while being happy about replacing Tucker with Semi Ojeleye is peak Fotis lmao.

Forbes sucks, he shut me up for a bit in the first round but went right back to the playoff liability I thought he’d be after that. Merrill is a nothing player too.

Merrill is going to be good. Losing Tucker hurts too. I agree that losing Forbes doesn’t matter.

[ShootingtheJ]

We paid Bryn Forbes $2 million lol. He was awesome for what he was brought in as.

His $2.2 million was more than a third of our roster, but he couldn't hold a rotation spot in the playoffs over a guy on the minimum. His salary prevented us from signing draft picks to 3 year deals, so it shouldn't be scoffed at.

In hindsight, that money would have been better spent on a more balanced player, because specialists get exposed in the playoffs.

[Baddy Chuck]

We paid Bryn Forbes $2 million lol. He was awesome for what he was brought in as.

His $2.2 million was more than a third of our roster, but he couldn't hold a rotation spot in the playoffs over a guy on the minimum. His salary prevented us from signing draft picks to 3 year deals, so it shouldn't be scoffed at.

In hindsight, that money would have been better spent on a more balanced player, because specialists get exposed in the playoffs.

LOL what hindsight is there to it? Of course if we could have signed a legit playoff rotation guy for $2 million they would have gone that route instead of picking up Bryn at the end of free agency. He was signed as a 9th+ guy, played good for a 9th+ guy and in the end had flaws like a 9th+ guy that made him unusable in situations. All these fabled free agents getting $2 million to sign on at the end of a bench role busting out in the playoffs just actually don't exist. More well rounded options like Shaq Harrison and Issac Bonga were backing up Markus Howard and Garrison Matthews for scraps in the playoffs.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

far more likely were looking at a portis or forbes situation next year with hood honestly. great little get imo

[ShootingtheJ]

We paid Bryn Forbes $2 million lol. He was awesome for what he was brought in as.

His $2.2 million was more than a third of our roster, but he couldn't hold a rotation spot in the playoffs over a guy on the minimum. His salary prevented us from signing draft picks to 3 year deals, so it shouldn't be scoffed at.

In hindsight, that money would have been better spent on a more balanced player, because specialists get exposed in the playoffs.

LOL what hindsight is there to it? Of course if we could have signed a legit playoff rotation guy for $2 million they would have gone that route instead of picking up Bryn at the end of free agency. He was signed as a 9th+ guy, played good for a 9th+ guy and in the end had flaws like a 9th+ guy that made him unusable in situations. All these fabled free agents getting $2 million to sign on at the end of a bench role busting out in the playoffs just actually don't exist.

Are you saying there's no players that signed for less than Forbes $2.33 million that were better than him? Heck, there were undrafted rookie FAs that were better than him.

[Baddy Chuck]

Are you saying there's no players that signed for less than Forbes $2.33 million that were better than him? Heck, there were undrafted rookie FAs that were better than him.

I would say the list you could put together of playoff rotation guys that were signed last season for less would either be insanely short or, at the risk of sounding obsessed, littered with evidence of your complete distain for Forbes. I mean off the top of my head I don't know, Austin Rivers and Torrey Craig? Guys who you championed for that roster spot surely didn't do anything there on their respective playoff teams.

In the end I'd say pretty confidently that anyone who didn't hold a grudge on Forbes from well before he was even here can put their grievances aside and say that the signing of Forbes turned out fairly good. If you want to play the Nikola Jokic was the 41st pick game and pluck through a probably extremely small history of these free agent diamonds that would have propelled us, go for it. And at the same time compare them to some of our other end of the bench guys who did even less than Forbes that I would imagine with almost certainty that the Bucks would have preferred to punt over Bryn.

[Pachinko_]

What kind of state is Hood in? Can we expect anything? I love the idea of a legit Middleton back up without giving up too much on defense and nothing on length.

[Jez2983]

Is it too early to know who some of those people might be?

If history is our guide, it will be old players who are too old and slow to keep up in the playoffs.

I’m not about to claim Marvin Williams or Pau Gasol or the like worked out for us…

…but the Nets did just hit on Blake Griffin.

Now that we are the reigning champs a ring chaser vet with some gas left in the tank might be more readily available than before.

Not to start a second argument (because I agree with you) but the Nets had basically no options outside of Griffin, and I think he got lucky hitting threes.

To the day I still don't understand why Giannis didn't just straight up abuse him. He'll do it every other game forever. I guess that's the role confidence plays in an athlete's performance.

[skones]

His $2.2 million was more than a third of our roster, but he couldn't hold a rotation spot in the playoffs over a guy on the minimum. His salary prevented us from signing draft picks to 3 year deals, so it shouldn't be scoffed at.

In hindsight, that money would have been better spent on a more balanced player, because specialists get exposed in the playoffs.

Boy, just think about how much we missed the boat on not giving three year deals to guys who couldn't hold a rotation spot at any point during the season. Shucks.

[HurricaneKid]

What kind of state is Hood in? Can we expect anything? I love the idea of a legit Middleton back up without giving up too much on defense and nothing on length.

He might have had the worst season of any player in the last 10 years last year. But achilles injuries often take two years to heal.

I didn't like him before the catastrophic injury. And your expectations about his D are way out of line. He was a poor defender before the injury, despite looking the part.

Theoretically, I don't think we sign him unless we have seen more out of him than he showed last year. So part of me is expecting a resurgence, though that seems wildly optimistic.

In short, who knows?

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[ShootingtheJ]

His $2.2 million was more than a third of our roster, but he couldn't hold a rotation spot in the playoffs over a guy on the minimum. His salary prevented us from signing draft picks to 3 year deals, so it shouldn't be scoffed at.

In hindsight, that money would have been better spent on a more balanced player, because specialists get exposed in the playoffs.

Boy, just think about how much we missed the boat on not giving three year deals to guys who couldn't hold a rotation spot at any point during the season. Shucks.

Shortsighted

[crowhead76]

I thought this was interesting.
Top 3 players from each teams total Win Shares

Bucks
Giannis 10.2
Jrue 6.6
Khris 6.4
Total 23.2

Nets
Irving 7.4
Harden 7.0
Durrant 5.0
Total 19.4

Suns
Paul 9.2
Ayton 8.4
Bridges 8.0
Total 25.6

Hawks
Capella 8.2
Young 7.2
Collins 6.7
Total 22.1

Heat
Butler 9.3
Bam 8.8
Robinson 3.7
Total 21.8

76ers
Embild 8.8
Harris 7.1
Simmons 6.0
Total 21.9

Jazz
Gobert 11.3
Joe Ingles 7.0
Mitchell 6.2
Total 24.5

Nuggets
Jokic 15.6
Porter Jr. 6.9
Murray 4.6
Total 27.1

Clippers
Kawhi 8.8
Zubac 6.9
George 5.3
Total 21.0

Lakers
Harrell 7.3
Lebron 5.6
KCP 4.2
Total 17.1

[CharityStripe34]

Damn, Jokic.

[JayMKE]

Hood if he can get healthy will contribute, he's still less than 2 years off a torn Achilles and not quite yet 30 so the Bucks seem like a pretty ideal situation for him.

[RogerMurdock]

I had a dream last night that I was on the Bucks. But as is almost always the case in my sports dreams - because I'm lame as hell - there's a basic function that I just can't do. In this case, I couldn't hold onto the ball. As soon as I put down that first dribble, the ball slipped out of my hands. Giannis fed me a sweet pass in the corner and I pump-faked my defender for an open drive to the basket, but the ball just jumped out of my hand as soon as I dribbled.

I did make one basket, though. Got a rebound, missed the putback (OF COURSE), but then grabbed it again and was successful on the second attempt. I felt contact behind me, which is why I missed the first one, but it turned out it was Bobby.

I just want to thank Coach Bud for sticking with me through my troubles.

[GoldenAntlers]

I had a dream last night that I was on the Bucks. But as is almost always the case in my sports dreams - because I'm lame as hell - there's a basic function that I just can't do. In this case, I couldn't hold onto the ball. As soon as I put down that first dribble, the ball slipped out of my hands. Giannis fed me a sweet pass in the corner and I pump-faked my defender for an open drive to the basket, but the ball just jumped out of my hand as soon as I dribbled.

I did make one basket, though. Got a rebound, missed the putback (OF COURSE), but then grabbed it again and was successful on the second attempt. I felt contact behind me, which is why I missed the first one, but it turned out it was Bobby.

I just want to thank Coach Bud for sticking with me through my troubles.

We all believe in you.

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[skones]

His $2.2 million was more than a third of our roster, but he couldn't hold a rotation spot in the playoffs over a guy on the minimum. His salary prevented us from signing draft picks to 3 year deals, so it shouldn't be scoffed at.

In hindsight, that money would have been better spent on a more balanced player, because specialists get exposed in the playoffs.

Boy, just think about how much we missed the boat on not giving three year deals to guys who couldn't hold a rotation spot at any point during the season. Shucks.

Shortsighted

You mean for a team who just got a guy who contributed to an NBA Championship while you have starters at the age of 31, 30, and 33? It's not short sighted, it's you complaining just to complain due to a complete lack of objectivity. You're sitting there jumping through hoops trying to convince yourself that Bryn Forbes didn't contribute in a meaningful manner relative to cost when his contributions are clear as day.

[Vasquectomy]

I had a dream last night that I was on the Bucks. But as is almost always the case in my sports dreams - because I'm lame as hell - there's a basic function that I just can't do. In this case, I couldn't hold onto the ball. As soon as I put down that first dribble, the ball slipped out of my hands. Giannis fed me a sweet pass in the corner and I pump-faked my defender for an open drive to the basket, but the ball just jumped out of my hand as soon as I dribbled.

I did make one basket, though. Got a rebound, missed the putback (OF COURSE), but then grabbed it again and was successful on the second attempt. I felt contact behind me, which is why I missed the first one, but it turned out it was Bobby.

I just want to thank Coach Bud for sticking with me through my troubles.

Dude I was at that game. Nice work. You are deceptively quick. Pick 61-worthy for sure. You and George just need to get used to the new ball.

On your putbacks-basket, Bobby was boxing out three guys. He was laughing and taunting them, like “This is all you’ve got?” Seemed like you were rushing, but you had more than enough time — still would have scored if you missed that second putback, too.

[paulpressey25]

Damn, Jokic.

Have zero fan angst over that one. It was one of those one in hundred second round pick things. They happen. Just like 14 teams passed on Giannis.

That said, think it is fair to look at the drafts as a whole. In the 2014 to 2020 period, would think we'd stack up in the bottom third of NBA teams. Could be wrong though. But seems like we only got Brogdon and a half-starter in DDV from seven years of picks.

[ShootingtheJ]

Boy, just think about how much we missed the boat on not giving three year deals to guys who couldn't hold a rotation spot at any point during the season. Shucks.

Shortsighted

You mean for a team who just got a guy who contributed to an NBA Championship while you have starters at the age of 31, 30, and 33? It's not short sighted, it's you complaining just to complain due to a complete lack of objectivity. You're sitting there jumping through hoops trying to convince yourself that Bryn Forbes didn't contribute in a meaningful manner relative to cost when his contributions are clear as day.

Miniscule contributions, we could have gotten .2 VORP from almost anyone playing that role on this team. Less 3 point shooting, but better defense, ballhandler, and passing.