2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27

[ShootingtheJ]

been reviewing everyones likes and suggestions.
and the only non-big that i like is Silva.
none of the other PGs,SGs,SFs, interest me at all.

im still fine on 2 of these bigs

Kyle Filipowski
Yves Missi
Kel'el Ware
DaRon Holmes

Tyler Smith
Izan Aimansa
Trevon Brazile

Ryan Kalkbrenner
*
is there another big yall like, that im missing ?
(not Edey)

wrote this in May.
im still in favor of getting 2 bigs.

Silva, still the only exception at n23.
but seems like he wont be available.

for n33, i hope one of those bigs slides.
if none r available, im ok with,
Furphy, Klintman, George, Carrington, Dunn, McCullar, Ajay Mitchell, Edwards

(Trevon Brazile, returning to Arkansas.
Ryan Kalkbrenner, not even on any ranked lists or boards.)

Kalkbrenner also returned to college.

I agree with the idea of a big at #23. I like DaSilva, but I'd take Holmes and Ware ahead of him.

At #33, I'll take any good player that falls, and there will be 1 or more that do. Hope we avoid Klintman, and all the NBL players. They're all being overhyped.

[Bernman]

Terrance Shannon Jr is a weird case. Didn’t show anything at Texas Tech that could’ve gotten him a 1st round guarantee in 3 seasons and then breaks out at ages 22 and 23 after transferring to Illinois. Turns 24yrs old like 30 days after the draft. I use the word weird because I’ve been on this board since 2008 and I can’t remember a draft prospect that was older and a late bloomer that seems like a consensus pick at 23 for us that we’d all love. I wouldn’t hate it but I’m just saying.. it’s weird to me. He’s like the polar opposite prospect most posters on here clamor for.

We've covered this some. It's a myth Shannon didn't shown enough to be a 1st rounder at Texas Tech. He was ahead of McCullar as a sophomore. His stats were similar to Russ Westbrook's, & so was his physical profile. If he went thru the process, he could have flown up boards. Then he had turmoil w/ his university his jr. yr, before breaking out further immediately after he left. He could have declared then too, but stayed another yr.

I think you're getting too hung up on age, while ignoring circumstance, and attributes. He is a high upside guy for a late 1st, especially in this class.

[Frank Nova]

Terrance Shannon Jr is a weird case. Didn’t show anything at Texas Tech that could’ve gotten him a 1st round guarantee in 3 seasons and then breaks out at ages 22 and 23 after transferring to Illinois. Turns 24yrs old like 30 days after the draft. I use the word weird because I’ve been on this board since 2008 and I can’t remember a draft prospect that was older and a late bloomer that seems like a consensus pick at 23 for us that we’d all love. I wouldn’t hate it but I’m just saying.. it’s weird to me. He’s like the polar opposite prospect most posters on here clamor for.

We've covered this some. It's a myth Shannon didn't shown enough to be a 1st rounder at Texas Tech. He was ahead of McCullar as a sophomore. His stats were similar to Russ Westbrook's, & so was his physical profile. If he went thru the process, he could have flown up boards. Then he had turmoil w/ his university his jr. yr, before breaking out further immediately after he left. He could have declared then too, but stayed another yr.

I think you're getting too hung up on age, while ignoring circumstance, and attributes. He is a high upside guy for a late 1st, especially in this class.

Thanks for the added info, the Texas Tech stuff was just raw stats for me. I won’t lie and act like I did some deep dive but I was genuinely curious about his earlier days since his name is rising like no one else currently.

The main thing that stuck out is the progress. He made pretty significant bumps in his numbers on a year to year basis until last year just sky rocketed for him. I think he’s a super talented player. My observation was very on the surface about any sort of 1st round guarantee in his earlier years, his numbers just didn’t come close to popping off the page until he transferred. But, I’m just surprised many are advocating for him because older and image damaged players are usually the last types of players that Bucks fan advocate for in the draft…

I think he’s a tremendous value at 33 but 23 wouldn’t shock me. I’d be perfectly fine unless we took him over 1 of the really athletic bigs I’m hoping for.

Would you draft Shannon Jr. over Tristan Da Silva or Bub Carrington?

[Bernman]

Would you draft Shannon Jr. over Tristan Da Silva or Bub Carrington?

Probably, but I'd investigate the sexual assault allegations further, like I would have Embiid's health, before pulling the trigger.

I think he has more star potential than Da Silva, and it's competitive w/ Bub's, while Shannon helps more now.

Shannon & Holmes are pretty perfect additions for where we're at of desiring help now, while needing to plan for life after Lillard & Middleton as core players.

[msiris]

Would you draft Shannon Jr. over Tristan Da Silva or Bub Carrington?

Probably, but I'd investigate the sexual assault allegations further, like I would have Embiid's health, before pulling the trigger.

I think he has more star potential than Da Silva, and it's competitive w/ Bub's, while Shannon helps more now.

Shannon & Holmes are pretty perfect additions for where we're at of desiring help now, while needing to plan for life after Lillard & Middleton as core players.

I think he could be the starting sg. D was pretty solid at Ill.

[Badgerlander]

I’d rather have Dunn or Oso than Holmes

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[ShootingtheJ]

I’d rather have Dunn or Oso than Holmes

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Holmes is also a good defender. He's not Dunn, but he's a switchable big. Offensively he's in a different stratosphere than Dunn.

However, I also pose this question. Why not both?

Oso won't start in the G League.

[M-C-G]

I’d rather have Dunn or Oso than Holmes

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I’d be good with Dunn at 23. Doesn’t need much shooting to be a Marcus Smart or PJ Tucker

[Badgerlander]

I’d rather have Dunn or Oso than Holmes

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Holmes is also a good defender. He's not Dunn, but he's a switchable big. Offensively he's in a different stratosphere than Dunn.

However, I also pose this question. Why not both?

Oso won't start in the G League.

I think Holmes is switchable in the Atlantic 10, Oso seems more nba switchable. I really like the Jalen Smith comp in Ringers draft guide for Holmes. Poor man’s Naz Reid is the hope I guess but I think he’s going to need consistent minutes and involvement in the offense to figure it out in the nba. Why not both? Because we desperately need a starting caliber SG and a big wing defender. If we could grab Dunn and Shannon great. Maybe buy a second for Oso. Oso is the big version of AJJ, not as athletic but ready to jump into any role we need on both sides of the floor seamlessly.

[ShootingtheJ]

I’d rather have Dunn or Oso than Holmes

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Holmes is also a good defender. He's not Dunn, but he's a switchable big. Offensively he's in a different stratosphere than Dunn.

However, I also pose this question. Why not both?

Oso won't start in the G League.

I think Holmes is switchable in the Atlantic 10, Oso seems more nba switchable. I really like the Jalen Smith comp in Ringers draft guide for Holmes. Poor man’s Naz Reid is the hope I guess but I think he’s going to need consistent minutes and involvement in the offense to figure it out in the nba. Why not both? Because we desperately need a starting caliber SG and a big wing defender. If we could grab Dunn and Shannon great. Maybe buy a second for Oso. Oso is the big version of AJJ, not as athletic but ready to jump into any role we need on both sides of the floor seamlessly.

Oso can't shoot or catch, and he's not a switchable big because he isn't a big.

You watch Holmes in the Tournament? He kicks butt no matter who he plays.

I sure hope we're not going to fill the starting SG role with a rookie. There will be a trade. Assuming there's a trade for the starting SG, now you cool with both?

[FrieAaron]

Finally took a look at some of the consensus drafts and most of the players. It's crazy the variance in some of these projections this year.

These are the 10 I'm currently most interested in that seem at least possible to fall to us:

Ulrich Chomche*
DaRon Holmes II
Dillon Jones
Adem Bona
Kyle Filipowski
Kel'el Ware
Reece Beekman
Rob Dillingham
KJ Simpson
Carlton Carrington

*Chomche is obviously more of a project but I think has one of the higher upsides of the draft. Just depends on what other moves we make and how much we're actually hoping these picks are able to play meaningful minutes for us this year.

[Badgerlander]

Holmes is also a good defender. He's not Dunn, but he's a switchable big. Offensively he's in a different stratosphere than Dunn.

However, I also pose this question. Why not both?

Oso won't start in the G League.

I think Holmes is switchable in the Atlantic 10, Oso seems more nba switchable. I really like the Jalen Smith comp in Ringers draft guide for Holmes. Poor man’s Naz Reid is the hope I guess but I think he’s going to need consistent minutes and involvement in the offense to figure it out in the nba. Why not both? Because we desperately need a starting caliber SG and a big wing defender. If we could grab Dunn and Shannon great. Maybe buy a second for Oso. Oso is the big version of AJJ, not as athletic but ready to jump into any role we need on both sides of the floor seamlessly.

Oso can't shoot or catch, and he's not a switchable big because he isn't a big.

You watch Holmes in the Tournament? He kicks butt no matter who he plays.

I sure hope we're not going to fill the starting SG role with a rookie. They're will be a trade. Assuming there's a trade for the starting SG, now you cool with both?

Oso 6’9.5” tall 6’11” wingspan 222lbs
Holmes 6’8.75” tall 7’1” wings 236lbs

Oso bigger hands, better vertical but obviously shorted his reach to get it. Similar times but Holmes slower on the sprint. Holmes looked slow, mechanical, and unathletic in the tourney, played defense like bobby. Got numbers by the end of the game but at no point demanded a double team or took over. He’s not a bad player it just tempered my enthusiasm for him. I’m sure some team will think he is Naz Reid in the draft and he will be off the board before 23. I wouldn’t be upset if we get him I just think he might be better suited for a lotto team. Besides it’s not really Oso vs Holmes for me its Holmes vs Dunn. Oso is a mid second round pick, I just think his D is nba ready and offensively I trust him to make the right read

[Fotis St]

Just don't draft a Nwora Haistyle like McCain and Kyshawn George ... huge red flag

[drone3]

Would be happy with Holmes or Dunn.

If we can get Pacôme Dadiet with the 2nd that would be sweet.

[German Athens]

Just don't draft a Nwora Haistyle like McCain and Kyshawn George ... huge red flag

Not this BS again.

[Wonka]

You guys don’t make decisions based off of hairstyles?? Huh.

[bdpecore]

I’d have no problem trading down to #26 (Washington) to get a couple of future 2nds to start restocking picks.

To me this would be dependent on who's available when the Bucks are on the clock. If all the bigs 9Ware, Edey, Holmes and Missi) are off the board, then by all means trade back as I don't see a big difference in the wings projected to go between 23 and 30.

[Ron Swanson]

I’d rather have Dunn or Oso than Holmes

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Yep. Holmes does nothing for me and Oso isn't a 1st round talent. His jumper might be completely broken, but I'll take my chances on a guy who I know is gonna be an elite disruptor. There's players I feel comfortable will be good perimeter defenders (McCullar, Simpson, Edwards, Jones), but Dunn has the length, athleticism, and instincts/IQ to be a consensus All-Defense caliber dude.

[German Athens]

My issue with drafting the Holmes types are they just have a tough time hitting in the league.

You’re drafting an undersized big in the hopes that he’ll be quick enough to be switchable defensively, because you know he’s not big enough or athletic enough to be a traditional anchor. My problem is unless they are emphatically switchable, and that’s super clear on film, then there’s a pretty good chance they won’t be, and if they aren’t, then they pretty much lose all their value.

They don’t have a fallback option, because they don’t have the physical tools.

I do want that switchable big, but I’d much rather trade for the ones who’ve actually proven they can do it in the league than draft one. Holmes best case scenario is probably Naz, but I don’t think he’s a lock to get there, and at that point that’s just not that high of upside.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

Would you draft Shannon Jr. over Tristan Da Silva ?

That's a big F no from me...but only because of how much I believe in da Silva....not a lack of belief in Shannon Jr.