Bucks Summer League Games - Game 5 vs Washington - Saturday - 3:00 - ESPN

[bucksfansince88]

Whole scout staff needs to be fired

[bucksfansince88]

Fire Horst for putting together these summer league teams (mostly kidding). He's from the school of John Hammond. Loves skinny length w/out much i.q or skill behind it often times. Don't give him an oppo to put together a team of them.

There's plenty more there w/ Magic, so that's a nice change, but he's not close to ready in all likelihood. He should spend the year getting reps between the Herd & in garbage time w/ the big club. He's getting ripped too easily & not reading the lurking defender.

Can we set a screen for the ballhandler when they're pressing fullcourt? It's sink or swim, often in the halfcourt too.

There's always a lot of talk about o & d, little boards/loose balls. If you can't do the latter you can't win. They got 20 more shots than the Bucks & those are subsequently open shots for them not you. It's over half the story. Get dudes who can hunt & snatch.

Him and Buckner will put the work in

[BigO]

The Bucks are getting killed in the summer league because their talent is much inferior. It's that simple. That's due to Horst's bad drafting. I'd be surprised if any of them make it; maybe one or two.

Marjon-the board has gotten it right. He doesn't have a grasp of the game.

Ajax- no elite basketball skills but decent bball iq. Needs to play with Herd more and handle the point.

AJJohnson-no elite bball skills; needs lot of work on his ballhandling or he won't get past NBA guards despite his speed; shoots poorly; saving grace is he's 19, so maybe.

Livingston-I like his numbers despite showing nothing last season. Needs playing time with the Herd.

Rollins- already a very good defender, but needs more bulk to make it. Worth keeping around.

The only one so far who has a chance is Green. He has an elite skill.If Hauser can make it, so can Green.

[humanrefutation]

I'm surprised that some of you are out on AJax. Marjon I get, but AJax knows ball and he's going to be a contributor to a winner. It's just a matter of whether Doc will let him grow here.

Thank you! I was waiting for someone to say this. The ppgz fans aren't going to like him right away because he's got to do the all around stuff like AK47 or PJ. If Doc has some sense, doubt he does, he gets AJJ in there regularly for screens, cuts, fast breaks, hustle, dunks, energy, D, etc in a backup role at least. A guy that can contribute in many ways without the ball (anti KM) is EXACTLY what this team needs but the starters have to learn how to use him and play with him.

Right on. It would obviously help if he could become a productive shooter - hell, even a passable one. But even absent that, I still think he can have a positive impact every time he steps onto the court. It's just a matter of the game slowing down a bit, him avoiding silly fouls, and him becoming comfortable in the defensive scheme.

[Jez2983]

Just out of interest I thought I'd quickly look at AJ Greens summer league stats.

Year 1: 7ppg on 37%, 33% from 3
Year 2: 4.3 on 38%, 43% from 3 (encouraging)

So while we could say that the eye test should trump stats in SL, we could equally say that SL isn't always a great indicator of NBA prowess. Oh and that it's always easier to bet on failure in prospects.

[Daver]

With his recent play, I wouldn’t be shocked if Livingston is above or at least tied with Ajax in the young guy pecking order.

He’s the biggest surprise of summer league

Think your vastly like everyone else on this board overating omg Ajax.We buck fans sit here and say omfg do the heat overate thrir players herro n co.Yet here we are still way way overhyping a guy who hasnt done anything to establish him getting consistent mins

He's provided a lift in energy and cohesion everytime he enters a game. Doc prefers older dudes and buried him end of last year and it F'd us against Indy where we needed his energy but didn't have continuity with the starters because of Doc.

Cmon jragon i love your posts but you really believe in your heart of hearts than AJ not playing agsinst indy fu..us comeon man he wasnt good on the D end cant shoot.I doubt very highly playing him wouldnt of mattered giannis fu.. us by not playing not AJ

[JonHeist]

Andre averaged 7.7 fouls per 100 last year

he needs to cut that in half or he'll never be a player that contributes meaningfully to winning

[-Jragon-]

I'm surprised that some of you are out on AJax. Marjon I get, but AJax knows ball and he's going to be a contributor to a winner. It's just a matter of whether Doc will let him grow here.

Thank you! I was waiting for someone to say this. The ppgz fans aren't going to like him right away because he's got to do the all around stuff like AK47 or PJ. If Doc has some sense, doubt he does, he gets AJJ in there regularly for screens, cuts, fast breaks, hustle, dunks, energy, D, etc in a backup role at least. A guy that can contribute in many ways without the ball (anti KM) is EXACTLY what this team needs but the starters have to learn how to use him and play with him.

Right on. It would obviously help if he could become a productive shooter - hell, even a passable one. But even absent that, I still think he can have a positive impact every time he steps onto the court. It's just a matter of the game slowing down a bit, him avoiding silly fouls, and him becoming comfortable in the defensive scheme.

If he can sustain that 37% from last season and build off it we'll be good. Then give us some of what Rodman gave Jordan and Draymond gives Steph.

[Rockmaninoff]

The Bucks are getting killed in the summer league because their talent is much inferior. It's that simple. That's due to Horst's bad drafting. I'd be surprised if any of them make it; maybe one or two.

Marjon-the board has gotten it right. He doesn't have a grasp of the game.

Ajax- no elite basketball skills but decent bball iq. Needs to play with Herd more and handle the point.

AJJohnson-no elite bball skills; needs lot of work on his ballhandling or he won't get past NBA guards despite his speed; shoots poorly; saving grace is he's 19, so maybe.

Livingston-I like his numbers despite showing nothing last season. Needs playing time with the Herd.

Rollins- already a very good defender, but needs more bulk to make it. Worth keeping around.

The only one so far who has a chance is Green. He has an elite skill.If Hauser can make it, so can Green.

I'd say they're getting killed because they have no quality bigs on the roster.

Badji is a low skilled castaway and Baker Jr is a nepo baby.

Smith is the only "big" the Bucks have invested draft capital in recently, and he either can't or won't play defense. I can see why Ignite had such a poor record if Smith was their 5 most of time.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

im sorry for those of you who watch summer league pickup ball and try to correlate anything from it.

i used to play pickup ball at around this level. personally i think having a coach in a pickup game is kind of funny. thats my takeaway

[buckboy]

Marjon was always a trash player.

Pretty clear all along.

Another worthless Horst pick.

I have some.hope for the AJJs, but the fact that Horst took them makes me think less of them.

I like his work overall (ring), but his draft picks thus far are a pretty obvious F.

[-Jragon-]

Think your vastly like everyone else on this board overating omg Ajax.We buck fans sit here and say omfg do the heat overate thrir players herro n co.Yet here we are still way way overhyping a guy who hasnt done anything to establish him getting consistent mins

He's provided a lift in energy and cohesion everytime he enters a game. Doc prefers older dudes and buried him end of last year and it F'd us against Indy where we needed his energy but didn't have continuity with the starters because of Doc.

Cmon jragon i love your posts but you really believe in your heart of hearts than AJ not playing agsinst indy fu..us comeon man he wasnt good on the D end cant shoot.I doubt very highly playing him wouldnt of mattered giannis fu.. us by not playing not AJ

Thanks for saying you like my posts. You have good, thoughtful stuff, too. I think you missed what my main point was. Doc avoided playing him with the starters in the last month of the season, yet he got 60 minutes against the Pacers in the series. A coach with foresight would have had all these guys ready to play together as a backup option so that when/if he gets in the starters know how to play with him. Going forward, I hope AJJ builds on his nice 37% 3 point shooting last year but yeah who knows.

Idk... what did we lack against Indy? Hustle, speed, toughness, athleticism... that's why Doc put him in in the series, right? But he wasted a chance to get him integrated with the starters and new playbook before the playoffs.

[German Athens]

Woah, the last two two times we had a winning record in summer league was 2022 and 2012?

Holy ****.

2014, the team that had Giannis and Jabari, finished tied for last in summer league with a 1-4 record.

[msiris]

The Bucks are getting killed in the summer league because their talent is much inferior. It's that simple. That's due to Horst's bad drafting. I'd be surprised if any of them make it; maybe one or two.

Marjon-the board has gotten it right. He doesn't have a grasp of the game.

Ajax- no elite basketball skills but decent bball iq. Needs to play with Herd more and handle the point.

AJJohnson-no elite bball skills; needs lot of work on his ballhandling or he won't get past NBA guards despite his speed; shoots poorly; saving grace is he's 19, so maybe.

Livingston-I like his numbers despite showing nothing last season. Needs playing time with the Herd.

Rollins- already a very good defender, but needs more bulk to make it. Worth keeping around.

The only one so far who has a chance is Green. He has an elite skill.If Hauser can make it, so can Green.

Green wasn't drafted so maybe that is the key. Lol

[Profound23]

Woah, the last two two times we had a winning record in summer league was 2022 and 2012?

Holy ****.

2014, the team that had Giannis and Jabari, finished tied for last in summer league with a 1-4 record.

To be fair rookie summer league Jabari was awful and out of shape

[Rockmaninoff]

Woah, the last two two times we had a winning record in summer league was 2022 and 2012?

Holy ****.

2014, the team that had Giannis and Jabari, finished tied for last in summer league with a 1-4 record.

2012 team had Larry Sanders, John Henson, and Tobias Harris.

2022 Sandro was a beast.

17 ppg
8.8 rpg
2.4 apg
1 bpg
1.4 apg

.581 TS
96.4 D-Eff



Sandro was putting it together for the Spurs last year. Maybe Bucks should resign him.

[ReasonablySober]

The Bucks are getting killed in the summer league because their talent is much inferior. It's that simple. That's due to Horst's bad drafting.

It's due to never drafting in the lottery, something that happens because the Bucks have had winning teams for the entirety of Horst's tenure. 65% winning percentage. Division winners the last six years.

Maybe they'd have winning summer league teams if they hadn't traded for guys like Jrue Holiday, but they wouldn't have won a title either.

[German Athens]

Woah, the last two two times we had a winning record in summer league was 2022 and 2012?

Holy ****.

2014, the team that had Giannis and Jabari, finished tied for last in summer league with a 1-4 record.

2012 team had Larry Sanders, John Henson, and Tobias Harris.

2022 Sandro was a beast.

17 ppg
8.8 rpg
2.4 apg
1 bpg
1.4 apg



Sandro was putting it together for the Spurs last year. Maybe Bucks should resign him.

Yeah, that 2012 team had some talent. Tobes averaged 20ppg, Henson did pretty well, as did lamb, and sanders was on the team, too.

The 2022 squad was wiggington and mamu which starts to hit at something, sorry chones for the implied mamu slander - your nba talent in summer league isn’t the determining factor for a good team.

Chicago won summer league in 2022 with marko simonovic, Malcolm hill, Dalen Terry, Carlik jones, Justin lewis as their top 5 scorers. There’s one real nba player in that group, right?

In 2021, Sacramento went 5-0 with the only nba guy being Davion Mitchell and he might not be long for the league.

[Rockmaninoff]

Defense (and at least one good scorer/playmaker) wins (Summer League) championships.

Bigs are the foundation of the defense, even more so against sub-NBA shooting.

2024 Bucks Summer League team is giving up 108 PPG, which is worst in the league and 10 PPG more than the next closest team!

[German Athens]

Guys, I don’t really think the bucks are getting killed in summer league due to their drafting prowess.

They’ve been getting absolutely killed on the boards and have no rim protection. Their roster lacks size, with badji being the only guy capable of protecting the rim, but they haven’t played him that much.

They’ve had a bunch of lineups where they’ve had 4 dudes who are 6’6” or under and then one of Tyler smith or vin baker jr as the lone big. Vin averaged 7 minutes per game at UWM as a 23 year old super senior. He’s nowhere near this level of competition.

This roster just doesn’t have all the skillsets needed for a fully functioning squad.