Bledsoe to the Bucks For Monroe/#1 - POLL ADDED

PerkinsFor3 · Post #921 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 9:51 am

DrWood wrote:The trade is ok, but I don't know if the team got better, unless we can move someone for another C. Bucks 1-4 w/o Monroe.

Emeka Okafor playing in G-League

Pachinko_ · Post #922 » by **Pachinko_** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 10:02 am

old skool wrote:Monroe is caught in a changing NBA. It's not that he is a bad player, but that he has a skill set that is no longer in vogue.

I think Monroes problem is that he only has half the skillset of an oldschool big: he can get you some buckets and some boards but he can't jump, he can't protect the rim, he can't catch a lob, can't defend the PnR. His half a skillset is still relevant for $4-5m a year, most definitely not for $17m. That kind of money (and more) is reserved for the good oldschool bigs like Gobert and Deandre Jordan. Those guys don't shoot threes and they don't switch to guards either, but you don't see their teams trying to shop them every summer.

Ill-yasova · Post #923 » by **Ill-yasova** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 12:42 pm

GoodDayLa wrote:Brogden should be the starter at PG. He puts up good numbers and can space the floor and score efficiency most nights. If Bledsoe walks in and starts at PG, what is so special about him exactly? Can't shoot all that well & Giannis has the ball a lot.

Eric Bledsoe should take all the 6th man minutes imo.

Bledsoe should start and Brogdon should move to the 2 where he really belongs. We saw it all night tonight, when people set him up for open jumpers he can knock them down. But when he tried to create his own offense by going to the rim he couldn’t convert on the opportunities. Brogdon is a very useful player, but he’s not a creator for himself or others, and that’s what Bledsoe brings to the team.

leroyjw10 · Post #924 » by **leroyjw10** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 1:11 pm

I could be convinced otherwise, but I'd lean toward Bledsoe starting for two reasons: 1) His quickness gives him an edge on defending the Walls, Westbrooks and Kembas of the league; and 2) He's more adept at running the PnR, which we should be running a ton with Bledsoe and Giannis.

Joyride15 · Post #925 » by **Joyride15** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 1:17 pm

Start Bled / Snell / Kash / Giannis / Henson. Snell needs to be in starting lineup, and in as many minutes as possible with giannis. Low usage, high efficiency. He does not create for himself, so he would be wasted on the 2nd unit. 4 minutes into the game, brogdon comes in for Middleton, slide snell to 3. Then this sets up the Giannis / Kash stagger for the half. When bled comes out, brogdon can slide to the 1 and Kash inserted to 2/3.

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TroyD92 · Post #926 » by **TroyD92** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 1:25 pm

Bled-Brog- Snell-Midds-Giannis

When Jabari is back

Bled-Brog-Midd-Jabari-Giannis

Baddy Chuck · Post #927 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 1:26 pm

Start Bledsoe/Brogdon/Snell/Middleton/Giannis.

Can't rebound the ball anyways, run our version of a death lineup.

pifhluk23 · Post #928 » by **pifhluk23** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 1:31 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:Start Bledsoe/Brogdon/Snell/Middleton/Giannis.

Can't rebound the ball anyways, run our version of a death lineup.

This might work vs teams like CLE but I don't want Giannis taking a beating from Gobert, DJ, Lopez, Boogie etc. not to mention if you switch and one of those guys is now matched up against the other 4 that's easy buckets.

Baddy Chuck · Post #929 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 1:34 pm

Mike D'Antoni would coach that team to 55 wins.

Post #930 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 1:46 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:
old skool wrote:Monroe is caught in a changing NBA. It's not that he is a bad player, but that he has a skill set that is no longer in vogue.

I think Monroes problem is that he only has half the skillset of an oldschool big: he can get you some buckets and some boards but he can't jump, he can't protect the rim, he can't catch a lob, can't defend the PnR.

Need to add the most important thing. He can't convert bunnies. Part of that ties into the fact he can't jump to slam the ball.

Had Monroe made 2 more bunnies per game on missed attempts he'd still be here IMO. And starting.

Post #931 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 1:50 pm

Ayt wrote: I'm also not sure why PP thinks Bledsoe will shoot only 40% from the floor.

His career FG is 44%. So yes he theoretically will shoot better than 40% on the Bucks. I just see him as more a chucker here in Kidd's offense and think people will get frustrated with that aspect of his game.

Where I think people will be pleasantly surprised is his passing. He does a lot of creating that we haven't seen around these parts in awhile.

Pachinko_ · Post #932 » by **Pachinko_** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 1:54 pm

He'll make a nice duo with Brogdon and he will take some defensive assignments we really didn't have a suitable player for. Also Khris's efficiency will probably return to normal now that he doesn't have to take 1000 shots a game.

**** we need a coach, we have so much potential.

SirChurros · Post #933 » by **SirChurros** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 2:14 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
Ayt wrote: I'm also not sure why PP thinks Bledsoe will shoot only 40% from the floor.

His career FG is 44%. So yes he theoretically will shoot better than 40% on the Bucks. I just see him as more a chucker here in Kidd's offense and think people will get frustrated with that aspect of his game.

Where I think people will be pleasantly surprised is his passing. He does a lot of creating that we haven't seen around these parts in awhile.

Eh, disagree. Bledsoe has never been what I would classify as a chucker and I don't suddenly see him becoming one just because he's changing scenery.

DingleJerry · Post #934 » by **DingleJerry** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 2:29 pm

Krispy Kreme wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
Ayt wrote: I'm also not sure why PP thinks Bledsoe will shoot only 40% from the floor.

His career FG is 44%. So yes he theoretically will shoot better than 40% on the Bucks. I just see him as more a chucker here in Kidd's offense and think people will get frustrated with that aspect of his game.

Where I think people will be pleasantly surprised is his passing. He does a lot of creating that we haven't seen around these parts in awhile.

Eh, disagree. Bledsoe has never been what I would classify as a chucker and I don't suddenly see him becoming one just because he's changing scenery.

Not PP, but I toook that to mean that our garbage offensive system will lead to him having to take worse shots, some of them in the contested long 2 chucker type category so that will hurt his %. I could see that happening, if Kidd doesn't immediately go to a PnR centric system he should be canned

greekbuck34 · Post #935 » by **greekbuck34** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 2:33 pm

Do everything you can to bring a Robin Lopez or atleast a Kostas Koufos type of big.
It's so obvious we can't play 80 more games with just Henson and Maker as our bigs.
NO WAY!

Maker doesn't even count as a full one. Not just physically but playing wise too. He averages 1 foul per minute..

thonnisbeastley · Post #936 » by **thonnisbeastley** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 2:33 pm

Monroe will be missed, people don't give him enough credit for the player he turned himself into last season after an underwhelming first year in Milwaukee. He was a huge reason for our success. Hoping Bledsoe opens up the offense for everyone. There should be a ton of open looks for Snell and Middleton now. Just need to find a defensive minded center that can rebound the ball. I'd package Jabari, Delly, Henson, Telly or Vaughn in some combination for whatever big we could get.

Ron Swanson · Post #937 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 2:43 pm

As much of a home-run trade this was value-wise, it's nothing but a band-aid that won't fix much of anything until the players are unshackled from this horrid offensive and defensive scheme. Bringing in a veteran big-body would be the same. This coaching staff would have **** Nikola Pekovic showing out on the perimeter and hedging on screens because that's what the scheme requires of him.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #938 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 2:44 pm

yup

hence why Kidd has to go

there is no way around it

TroyD92 · Post #939 » by **TroyD92** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 2:44 pm

thonnisbeastley wrote:Monroe will be missed, people don't give him enough credit for the player he turned himself into last season after an underwhelming first year in Milwaukee. He was a huge reason for our success. Hoping Bledsoe opens up the offense for everyone. There should be a ton of open looks for Snell and Middleton now. Just need to find a defensive minded center that can rebound the ball. I'd package Jabari, Delly, Henson, Telly or Vaughn in some combination for whatever big we could get.

For whatever reason he was awful this year, dont think we will miss him on the court one bit.

Ill-yasova · Post #940 » by **Ill-yasova** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 2:48 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
Ayt wrote: I'm also not sure why PP thinks Bledsoe will shoot only 40% from the floor.

His career FG is 44%. So yes he theoretically will shoot better than 40% on the Bucks. I just see him as more a chucker here in Kidd's offense and think people will get frustrated with that aspect of his game.

Where I think people will be pleasantly surprised is his passing. He does a lot of creating that we haven't seen around these parts in awhile.

Realistically though, wouldn’t the amount of gravity that Giannis has with the ball in his hands open up more spot up shooting opportunities for Bledsoe? There is a huge difference between 40% and 44% and I think your post might have spooked some of the guys on here who haven’t seen him play very often and put visions of Monta and Jennings in their heads. I’m thinking more like 45% personally since I’m hoping he won’t have to force a shot as much.

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