Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[Bucksfan28]

Even all if all the perceived “hints” and conjecture are accurate , you still bring him back. He’s not the type of dude who’s going to tank a season or ruin chemistry. Too close to a title to downgrade.

I don't think he is either but it's -a lot- easier to become a malcontent once you've been paid.

[HaroldinGMinor]

Even all if all the perceived “hints” and conjecture are accurate , you still bring him back. He’s not the type of dude who’s going to tank a season or ruin chemistry. Too close to a title to downgrade.

I don't think he is either but it's -a lot- easier to become a malcontent once you've been paid.

Sorry to pick nits, but the correct term is "Malcolmtent". Thanks.

[BigO]

My concern is outside shooting-losing Mirotic and brogdon and some on here want to trade Ersan. As far as I know, the rules haven't changed and outside shooting is still critical to success. Brogdon is an excellent shooter, albeit a standstill one. But he has greatly improved his drive and finish, so that he is elite in his efficiency. He is limited in his passing vision, but at least he doesn't turn it over.

As stated previously, the only way the Bucks are as good or better than last year is if DDV turns out to be a stud or Giannis continues to improve at the same rate., meaning his shot improves.

[ibanezjp]

I agree with most that Brogdon won’t be nearly as productive in IND as the PG and that our team was his best spot to flourish but I think he’s just not as important to our success as many make it out to be. I feel his production is definitely replaceable by a combo of 2 guys like Wes/Brown it Wes/DDV. Also having George Hill the whole year should help too since we only had him after trade deadline last year and he was ineffective the first couple weeks until he got comfortable in the system and became on of our most stable players. To me the bigger issues with us winning a championship are:

1) Does Giannis develop some sort of mid range move whether that be a hook shot or turn around jumper or maybe improve his 3pt % just enough to make teams respect it.
2) Can Bledsoe just play in the playoffs like he does in the regular season
3) Can we get just a little more out of Middleton in the playoffs, maybe something that is in the realm of how he played against Boston in 2018 playoff series.

And of those things #1 is by far the most important. I will echo what I think Rila said a while back in that this team is like 80% Giannis and 20% what everyone else does. I just think all the arguing over Malcom is like at worst a swing of a couple games in the regular season and most likely not having won’t make much of a difference at all.

[soxperry]

The evidence is there that the owners did not want to pay the luxury tax this year. We could have matched Brogdon's deal, but didn't. We could have moved $700,000 from Hill's first year to a later year and kept the TPE to get someone via trade, but didn't.

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Where did you get this info?

I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that no one else here seems to know or understand what is going on with the TPE... so if you could provide a link and also expand on how the 700k thing effects the TPE I think a lot of us would really appreciate that.

[soxperry]

I agree with most that Brogdon won’t be nearly as productive in IND as the PG and that our team was his best spot to flourish but I think he’s just not as important to our success as many make it out to be. I feel his production is definitely replaceable by a combo of 2 guys like Wes/Brown it Wes/DDV. Also having George Hill the whole year should help too since we only had him after trade deadline last year and he was ineffective the first couple weeks until he got comfortable in the system and became on of our most stable players. To me the bigger issues with us winning a championship are:

1) Does Giannis develop some sort of mid range move whether that be a hook shot or turn around jumper or maybe improve his 3pt % just enough to make teams respect it.
2) Can Bledsoe just play in the playoffs like he does in the regular season
3) Can we get just a little more out of Middleton in the playoffs, maybe something that is in the realm of how he played against Boston in 2018 playoff series.

And of those things #1 is by far the most important. I will echo what I think Rila said a while back in that this team is like 80% Giannis and 20% what everyone else does. I just think all the arguing over Malcom is like at worst a swing of a couple games in the regular season and most likely not having won’t make much of a difference at all.

Yeah, i pretty much agree with you. I feel bad for the Pacers. They overpaid for an injury prone player who is going to switch to a more athletically demanding position and probably shoot at a much higher volume than he can efficiently handle. I don't think it's going to be pretty.

[Frank Nova]

I'll take Bledsoe at 3/55 and a SG platoon that makes 6m over Malcolm at 4/85.

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[WRau1]

So many pages and hurt feelings over a role player with bad feet.

[Brewhoopfan]

The audience for the Indiana Pacers press conference is Indiana Pacers fans. Malcolm gets it. Do you think he was going to say: "I'm disappointed to be here. Milwaukee has a better team, and I hoped they would match the offer, but they didn't." Obviously, the Pacers have plans to play him at PG. Do you think Malcom was going to say "Nate wants me to play PG, but it's not my best position. Maybe when Victor returns, he can play the point instead of me." Malcolm understands these press conferences are PR events. His job at the PR event is to embrace the franchise and whatever role he will be given. Reading anything into his comments is foolish.

[Nowak008]

It has little impact on the Bucks if Brogdon has a nice career. Sure, you don’t want him going off when we play them four times a year or in a playoff series but other than that I find it a bizarre use of energy to actively wish ill of the dude. I was also more responding to the odd onslaught of Brogdon negativity after he was an ideal Buck for three years. Best 2nd round pick of my lifetime. I wish the guy well. Different strokes.

Oh, right. Winningest 2nd round pick of my lifetime.*

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[M-C-G]

My concern is outside shooting-losing Mirotic and brogdon and some on here want to trade Ersan. As far as I know, the rules haven't changed and outside shooting is still critical to success. Brogdon is an excellent shooter, albeit a standstill one. But he has greatly improved his drive and finish, so that he is elite in his efficiency. He is limited in his passing vision, but at least he doesn't turn it over.

As stated previously, the only way the Bucks are as good or better than last year is if DDV turns out to be a stud or Giannis continues to improve at the same rate., meaning his shot improves.

Mirotic played in 14 regular season games, so it wasn't like we were dependent on him. How much can Wes Mathews, DDV, Brown and any other maybe later addition fill the gap from Brogdon is the question. Per 36 Brogdon was taking 4.8 3PA and 9.9 2PA. I don't think that will be to hard to fill, but it might not be one guy that replaces it.

Maybe Wes gives you those 3PA (career 6.2 per 36) and DDV/Sterling give you some of those 2PA?

[Bucksfan28]

Even all if all the perceived “hints” and conjecture are accurate , you still bring him back. He’s not the type of dude who’s going to tank a season or ruin chemistry. Too close to a title to downgrade.

I don't think he is either but it's -a lot- easier to become a malcontent once you've been paid.

Sorry to pick nits, but the correct term is "Malcolmtent". Thanks.

The connotations of that one concern me..

[JimmyTheKid]

:banghead: The audience for the Indiana Pacers press conference is Indiana Pacers fans. Malcolm gets it. Do you think he was going to say: "I'm disappointed to be here. Milwaukee has a better team, and I hoped they would match the offer, but they didn't." Obviously, the Pacers have plans to play him at PG. Do you think Malcom was going to say "Nate wants me to play PG, but it's not my best position. Maybe when Victor returns, he can play the point instead of me." Malcolm understands these press conferences are PR events. His job at the PR event is to embrace the franchise and whatever role he will be given. Reading anything into his comments is foolish.

Reading anything into his press conference is foolish. Concluding that Brogdon wanted out due to his Milwaukee/segregated comments is foolish. And posting the Bucks' W/L record while Brogdon was hurt as some sort of "proof" of something is also foolish.

[MVP2110]

Did we ever find out what the 2nd round picks were?

[fansinceforever]

Malcolm Brogdon isn't even in the same universe of the type of guy that would ever become a malcontent. He's one of the most professional players that the NBA has today.

[paulpressey25]

Did we ever find out what the 2nd round picks were?

Soccer season isn't over yet......

[AntetokounmBros]

I don't think he is either but it's -a lot- easier to become a malcontent once you've been paid.

Sorry to pick nits, but the correct term is "Malcolmtent". Thanks.

The connotations of that one concern me..

Connaughtations?

[BroncoBuck]

Jeez, seemed like the media was just lobbing him softballs to say “thanks to the Bucks organization, etc.” and he refused to even acknowledge it. Feel like this closes the case on him wanting out. Glad he got paid.

[Chuck Diesel]

Since we’re all ok rolling with blind speculation, isn’t it also possible he’s feeling salty at the Bucks for not matching? Could account for his lack of glowing praise towards the organization.

[DingleJerry]

Just too much stock and attention being put into a fluff press conference IMO. Nothing to see here.

Good luck to him, wish he was still here as he's a solid player and good fit. Seems like a good human so hope things work out well for him