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Post #921 » by **Prez** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:00 pm

I’m honestly kind of at a loss here, I don’t see how this doesn’t end up just being a wasted year of Giannis’ prime barring some insane fleecing that Horst pulls off (which won’t happen) before the deadline or literally all 3 of Giannis/Jrue/Khris play out of their minds for 3 or 4 series (which also won’t happen). We have almost no assets, almost no cap flexibility, a bad playoff coach, and imho a bad roster after the top 3, maybe 4. Hate to be this depressing but it is what it is.

Ron Swanson · Post #922 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:14 pm

Yeah, I know I said I wouldn't harp on the Chris Paul stuff much longer, but the Suns sitting in the West with a better record than us (17-10) is just frustrating considering the opportunity we chose not to pursue. It's hard to imagine even an idealized version of Jrue having the impact of an all-time-great floor general. You can't afford to make a big shake-up at this point. You ride or die with Jrue as your 3rd piece and hope those guys develop the chemistry needed to go all the way. Need to see all 3 of those guys healthy and playing together for an extended period.

In the mean time, I still like the idea of Tucker/Boogie now that the Rockets are doing their expected regression back to the mean. I'd take on Gordon's contract in addition to sending out Brook/Pat/DJ and getting our 2022 1st back.

ShootingtheJ · Post #923 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:20 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Yeah, I know I said I wouldn't harp on the Chris Paul stuff much longer, but the Suns sitting in the West with a better record than us (17-10) is just frustrating considering the opportunity we chose not to pursue. It's hard to imagine even an idealized version of Jrue having the impact of an all-time-great floor general. You can't afford to make a big shake-up at this point. You ride or die with Jrue as your 3rd piece and hope those guys develop the chemistry needed to go all the way. Need to see all 3 of those guys healthy and playing together for an extended period.

In the mean time, I still like the idea of Tucker/Boogie now that the Rockets are doing their expected regression back to the mean. I'd take on Gordon's contract in addition to sending out Brook/Pat/DJ and getting our 2022 1st back.

The Suns were outstanding in the bubble, they might have made this jump even without Paul. They're winning because of the development of Bridges and Ayton.

ShootingtheJ · Post #924 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:23 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Yeah, I know I said I wouldn't harp on the Chris Paul stuff much longer, but the Suns sitting in the West with a better record than us (17-10) is just frustrating considering the opportunity we chose not to pursue. It's hard to imagine even an idealized version of Jrue having the impact of an all-time-great floor general. You can't afford to make a big shake-up at this point. You ride or die with Jrue as your 3rd piece and hope those guys develop the chemistry needed to go all the way. Need to see all 3 of those guys healthy and playing together for an extended period.

In the mean time, I still like the idea of Tucker/Boogie now that the Rockets are doing their expected regression back to the mean. I'd take on Gordon's contract in addition to sending out Brook/Pat/DJ and getting our 2022 1st back.

The Suns were outstanding in the bubble, they might have made this jump even without Paul. They're winning because of the development of Bridges and Ayton.

Also, reminder that the 76ers have up Bridges for Zhaire Smith and a 2nd.

ABucksFan · Post #925 » by **ABucksFan** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:25 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
In the mean time, I still like the idea of Tucker/Boogie now that the Rockets are doing their expected regression back to the mean. I'd take on Gordon's contract in addition to sending out Brook/Pat/DJ and getting our 2022 1st back.

Tucker/Boogie is the exact kind of move we need to make if possible. Need some high ceiling guys tbh if we want to do anything come playoff time. Sure it could bust, but im willing to gamble.

Also agree, CP3 would've been the perfect guy for this team. He is a general and his mental/composure is something we've sorely lack in the past years. Raptors even without Klaw, still have Lowry/FVV, MIA has Butler/Dragic, BOS Brown/Smart, BKN has well...HARDEN/KD/KYRIE. When I look at this roster I just get sad, the only guy who can even compare is Giannis (maybe Jrue). Everyone has some Alpha with the mental fortitude to make s*** happen in the playoffs. CP3 was that guy for us.

Ron Swanson · Post #926 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:41 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Yeah, I know I said I wouldn't harp on the Chris Paul stuff much longer, but the Suns sitting in the West with a better record than us (17-10) is just frustrating considering the opportunity we chose not to pursue. It's hard to imagine even an idealized version of Jrue having the impact of an all-time-great floor general. You can't afford to make a big shake-up at this point. You ride or die with Jrue as your 3rd piece and hope those guys develop the chemistry needed to go all the way. Need to see all 3 of those guys healthy and playing together for an extended period.

In the mean time, I still like the idea of Tucker/Boogie now that the Rockets are doing their expected regression back to the mean. I'd take on Gordon's contract in addition to sending out Brook/Pat/DJ and getting our 2022 1st back.

The Suns were outstanding in the bubble, they might have made this jump even without Paul. They're winning because of the development of Bridges and Ayton.

Booker's numbers have dipped slightly and they've relegated Ayton to more of a complimentary/rim-running big (less post-ups). Bridges is getting a ton more open 3's. They have a bunch of talented guys, but it's not a coincidence that all those things happen to come together as soon as they brought CP3 in. He's the quarterback on both sides of the ball.

Bucksfan28 · Post #927 » by **Bucksfan28** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:46 pm

Fwiw, the new starting lineup has been lighting it up offensively - 131 ORTG in 64 minutes since last Monday. Then comes the bad news - almost a 123 DRTG. I wonder if starting Pat and having Forbes/Portis be the first guys off the bench would've changed anything from this past week.

raferfenix · Post #928 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:25 pm

Best case scenario is the NBA at large and the Bucks in particular are all out of whack due to the pandemic.

The Bucks were playing much better before the bubble. That's when things changed, especially with 3-point shooting without distractions from the fans, which plays into a lot of our weaknesses.

From that vantage point, playing any games this season is less of a wasted year than if there were no games, but it's still small solace.

Also Giannis signed the supermax. That gives us time beyond this season even if we end up in worst case scenario land as just a 50-win second round out kind of team.

raferfenix · Post #929 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:32 pm

I would be curious as to what really happened where the Bucks appeared to not be interested in CP3.

Either way I'm still plenty hopeful about Holiday.

It's not a coincidence our play fell off a cliff when he went out. It's definitely disappointing, but we traded all of our depth to get him even aside from our picks, so it's not the most surprising thing either.

That's where we ended up straddling between win now at all costs while giving up all our future picks. This team could use a defender like George Hill in the backcourt.

leroyjw10 · Post #930 » by **leroyjw10** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:36 pm

These last four games have been a huge indicator of just how important Jrue is to this team. During that time, the Bucks have given up an average of 123 points per game on a 119.4 defensive rating, putting them among the worst in the league. For reference, their defensive rating is 110.7 for the season.

Swapping Jrue in for Bryn is going to have a significant impact. As frustrating as it has been to watch, I'm going to follow Giannis's lead and not panic.

If it is just contact tracing and Jrue didn't actually test positive, how soon can Jrue come back? Gotta be soon, right?

Post #931 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:59 pm

The fact we played our best game of the year in Denver without Jrue is encouraging. So we know it can happen. But then we fell off the cliff.

RogerMurdock · Post #932 » by **RogerMurdock** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:33 pm

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Rstuedes24 · Post #933 » by **Rstuedes24** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:33 pm

Does anyone think Bud could actually be on the hot seat? If he does end up there, what coaches do you think we look at to replace him?

RogerMurdock · Post #934 » by **RogerMurdock** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:40 pm

Rstuedes24 wrote:Does anyone think Bud could actually be on the hot seat? If he does end up there, what coaches do you think we look at to replace him?

I'm not arguing whether he should or shouldn't, but yeah, he could totally be on the hot seat if this team doesn't do much in the playoffs again. Plenty of coaches in all sports have lost their jobs after more success than Bud has had. Hell, the Eagles just got rid of Pederson three seasons after winning the Super Bowl even though he didn't have a competent/healthy QB.

Ron Swanson · Post #935 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:43 pm

Rstuedes24 wrote:Does anyone think Bud could actually be on the hot seat? If he does end up there, what coaches do you think we look at to replace him?

Coaching hasn't been the problem with this team in the past and I find 99% of the criticism lobbed Bud's way to be the same old crap that fans complain about no matter who's holding the clip board (rotations, ADJUSTMENTZZZ, etc.), but assuming we get a healthy Jrue/Khris/Giannis trio for the playoffs and it's another early exit (semi-finals, or blown out in the ECF), then his job security should be rightfully up in the air.

FrieAaron · Post #936 » by **FrieAaron** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:55 pm

I think he's already on the hot seat, but I imagine has the full year to figure things out for the playoffs. I've mentioned it before, but to this point he's already done a lot of what people were asking. Obviously have a lot of tough work to do with this roster, though.

JimmyTheKid · Post #937 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:03 pm

Rstuedes24 wrote:Does anyone think Bud could actually be on the hot seat? If he does end up there, what coaches do you think we look at to replace him?

You know there is an entire thread dedicated to this right?

milweskee · Post #938 » by **milweskee** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:05 pm

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coolhandluke121 · Post #939 » by **coolhandluke121** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:08 pm

Bad time to mention that Bledsoe is hitting 40% of his 3's, George Hill was above his career average PER before getting hurt, and Pritchard and Quickley, both drafted right after the #24 pick the Bucks gave up in the deal, are both already significantly better than DJA? Something tells me it's a bad time...

The Bucks gave up depth for a tighter playoff rotation in the one season where depth is literally more important than it's ever been, arguably by far, because of the condensed schedule. Not that the regular season matters that much, but this damn well better pay off in the playoffs.

I called the Jrue trade possibly the worst move I've seen one of my teams make, right up there with drafting Mandarich. I think I was being kind. Jrue is good but #24 and a future first should have been enough.

StickeeFingaz · Post #940 » by **StickeeFingaz** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:10 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:Bad time to mention that Bledsoe is hitting 40% of his 3's, George Hill was above his career average PER before getting hurt, and Pritchard and Quickley, both drafted right after the #24 pick the Bucks gave up in the deal, are both already significantly better than DJA? Something tells me it's a bad time...

The Bucks gave up depth for a tighter playoff rotation in the one season where depth is literally more important than it's ever been, arguably by far, because of the condensed schedule. Not that the regular season matters that much, but this damn well better pay off in the playoffs.

I called the Jrue trade possibly the worst move I've seen one of my teams make, right up there with drafting Mandarich. I think I was being kind. Jrue is good but #24 and a future first should have been enough.

Are you saying pick #24 and a future first for Jrue should have been enough to get him? If yes, that’s insane.