Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Darvin Returns

[slos]

Brook and Bobby at 35 mil p/y combined is awesome value for quality bigs to surround Giannis. I expect the same amount of money for them for the next couple of seasons with Brook getting something less at 37-38 y/o and Bobby earning himself something above MLE money. I wouldn’t trade these guys unless it’s for a package that brings another star player. There is no point flipping them for guys like WCJ, G. Williams etc. Please stop proposing that kind of trades.

I wouldn’t touch the Big 3 either. As others have said this is the first summer that Giannis can really work with Dame and healthy Midds. Let’s give this a chance. This core didn’t play at least the Boston finals just because Giannis got himself injured. We would talk very much differently if he was available in that Indy and Knicks path to the finals.

I’m also annoyed that AJJ/Marjon/Green are treated like “young” players who can’t be trusted. They are 23-24-25 y/o. Just get rid of Pat who has significantly declined and give them a real chance. Draft BPA at #23 and #33 and give them a chance. I’m done with min vets that try to earn a contract in Milwaukee.

[RiotPunch]

Brook and Bobby at 35 mil p/y combined is awesome value for quality bigs to surround Giannis. I expect the same amount of money for them for the next couple of seasons with Brook getting something less at 37-38 y/o and Bobby earning himself something above MLE money. I wouldn’t trade these guys unless it’s for a package that brings another star player. There is no point flipping them for guys like WCJ, G. Williams etc. Please stop proposing that kind of trades.

I wouldn’t touch the Big 3 either. As others have said this is the first summer that Giannis can really work with Dame and healthy Midds. Let’s give this a chance. This core didn’t play at least the Boston finals just because Giannis got himself injured. We would talk very much differently if he was available in that Indy and Knicks path to the finals.

I’m also annoyed that AJJ/Marjon/Green are treated like “young” players who can’t be trusted. They are 23-24-25 y/o. Just get rid of Pat who has significantly declined and give them a real chance. Draft BPA at #23 and #33 and give them a chance. I’m done with min vets that try to earn a contract in Milwaukee.

This is whack. Bobby is maybe on a discount but is a fool's gold producer. He is a ball-stopping, shotclock draining chucker that is absolutely inept defensively. How much is his scoring and rebounding worth when he is posting up for 12 seconds and giving up easy buckets on the other end. Not to mention he is wildly unreliable and could **** around and get ejected in a super meaningful playoff game on a whim.

Get value for him if you can.

[rilamann]

Middleton’s having the first healthy offseason he’s had in quite some time, after tearing it up in the playoffs as the top option, working with the security of a recent contract extension.

I could see him having a much better season than expected.

Middleton is the only player who you have to hold your breath with during the off season hoping that he doesn't get injured.

I am waiting for a report to randomly come out in August telling us that he won't be ready to suit up until after Thanksgiving.

The Bucks would be insane not to trade him this off-season. Like you said, Middleton went into the off-season healthy (we think) and he put up some nice numbers albeit in losses in the playoffs, those numbers raised his value a bit. There are probably still a few GMs in the league dumb enough to give us something solid in return for Middleton.

[MickeyDavis]

I don't care if Middleton doesn't suit up until March if he's ready to go for the playoffs.

Let's not forget the last 2 years it was Giannis, not Middleton, who was hurt for the playoffs.

[emunney]

Damn, didn't realise Klay is 34. I'm not sure what sort of deal he's expecting but he seems like a dude that isn't ready to accept reality that he has hit the role player age of his career.

Guess who’s only five months younger.

Margot Robbie?

[JayMKE]

With a roster this old injuries should be expected, just gotta manage the load best you can and hopefully be ready for the playoffs. Improving the defense is really the key, not having to score 140 every night to compete would lessen the physical burden on everybody.

[Milbucks96]

Damn, didn't realise Klay is 34. I'm not sure what sort of deal he's expecting but he seems like a dude that isn't ready to accept reality that he has hit the role player age of his career.

Guess who’s only five months younger.

I think Dame is still really good and is good enough to be our number two but I think his cliff is coming in the next year or two. He’s a small guard and his athleticism is way more important to his game than I thought before. You can see in the games this year when he didn’t have his legs to blow by his guy to get to the rim, he just flat out sucked.

Those games happened often enough to notice and wasn’t always after an announced injury. Seemed like he would have flare up of old injuries randomly and they affected his game a lot.

[jute2003]

Middleton’s having the first healthy offseason he’s had in quite some time, after tearing it up in the playoffs as the top option, working with the security of a recent contract extension.

I could see him having a much better season than expected.

Unfortunately, I could also see him coming in out of shape, getting hurt in the first month of the season, coming back with a month left before playoffs, and still being on a minutes restriction when the games matter.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I don't care if Middleton doesn't suit up until March if he's ready to go for the playoffs.

Let's not forget the last 2 years it was Giannis, not Middleton, who was hurt for the playoffs.

Well we were also struggling to the point that the play-in was becoming a real scenario if we sat Giannis. Overall I agree with you, but having a starter miss that many games wears on a team.

[Ron Swanson]

Sub Middleton's name in with Kristaps Porzingis and ask yourselves if Boston fans would be showing this kind of zeal in flipping him based on the same exact rationale ("he's on a minutes restriction and it's only a matter of time before he gets hurt again").

[MickeyDavis]

Middleton averaged 38.3 MPG in the playoffs this year. Giannis was hurt. Dame was hurt too. Last year Middleton averaged 35.6 MPG in the playoffs, Giannis was hurt. In the championship run Khris averaged 40.1 MPG, Giannis averaged 38.1. Khris carried the team in the 2 games Giannis was....hurt.

Yes Khris was hurt in the playoffs 2 years ago. And of course there is an injury concern. But I have more of an injury concern with Giannis.

And the regular season does matter But health when the playoffs start matters more. Get a top 6 seed and be healthy.

[msiris]

Middleton averaged 38.3 MPG in the playoffs this year. Giannis was hurt. Dame was hurt too. Last year Middleton averaged 35.6 minutes per game in the playoffs, Giannis was hurt. In the championship run Khris averaged 40.1 MPG, Giannis averaged 38.1. Khris carried the team in the 2 games Giannis was....hurt.

Yes Khris was hurt in the playoffs 2 years ago. And of course there is an injury concern. But I have more of an injury concern with Giannis.

And the regular season does matter But health when the playoffs start matters more. Get a top 6 seed and be healthy.

Thats why it's important that we get better younger depth to lighten the load during the regular season. Stop the min vet madness. Dump guys like Pat who plays more like a min vet now a days.

[paulpressey25]

Sub Middleton's name in with Kristaps Porzingis and ask yourselves if Boston fans would be showing this kind of zeal in flipping him based on the same exact rationale ("he's on a minutes restriction and it's only a matter of time before he gets hurt again").

Boston has four all-stars at their other positions. The best two of which are young. C's can afford a luxury player like Zinger, even with his injuries. They aren't in a one-year window mode with a superstar (Giannis) like we are.

In the ongoing debate, I'm still in the retool mode, assuming at this point Giannis would be willing to accept it. I understand though the belief that holding pat with our big 3 and hoping for the best might be the preferred route. It all comes to down to what other teams would offer for Middleton.

[MickeyDavis]

Middleton averaged 38.3 MPG in the playoffs this year. Giannis was hurt. Dame was hurt too. Last year Middleton averaged 35.6 minutes per game in the playoffs, Giannis was hurt. In the championship run Khris averaged 40.1 MPG, Giannis averaged 38.1. Khris carried the team in the 2 games Giannis was....hurt.

Yes Khris was hurt in the playoffs 2 years ago. And of course there is an injury concern. But I have more of an injury concern with Giannis.

And the regular season does matter But health when the playoffs start matters more. Get a top 6 seed and be healthy.

Thats why it's important that we get better younger depth to lighten the load during the regular season. Stop the min vet madness. Dump guys like Pat who plays more like a min vet now a days.

Agreed. You can load manage perfectly during the season and still have someone get hurt in April. But you have to play the odds and lessen the workload of Giannis, Khris and Dame. Ramp up bench minutes even at the cost of some wins.

[bdpecore]

Middleton averaged 38.3 MPG in the playoffs this year. Giannis was hurt. Dame was hurt too. Last year Middleton averaged 35.6 minutes per game in the playoffs, Giannis was hurt. In the championship run Khris averaged 40.1 MPG, Giannis averaged 38.1. Khris carried the team in the 2 games Giannis was....hurt.

Yes Khris was hurt in the playoffs 2 years ago. And of course there is an injury concern. But I have more of an injury concern with Giannis.

And the regular season does matter But health when the playoffs start matters more. Get a top 6 seed and be healthy.

Thats why it's important that we get better younger depth to lighten the load during the regular season. Stop the min vet madness. Dump guys like Pat who plays more like a min vet now a days.

I'm fine with adding some vet min -players but they either need to fill a specific need (i.e. POA defender, floor spacing, leadership, etc...) or added for regular season depth. But we cannot keep signing players like Crowder who has clearly regressed to the point where he's unplayable.

My vet min FA targets are: Delon Wright, Robert Covington, Reggie Bullock, Daniel Theis, Justin Holiday, Aaron Holiday, Dario Saric, Lonnie Walker IV, Mo Bamba, Javonte Green, Kris Dunn and Taurean Prince.

I'm not sure all of these players will sign for vet minimum deals but I'd at least reach out to see.

[smauss]

Sub Middleton's name in with Kristaps Porzingis and ask yourselves if Boston fans would be showing this kind of zeal in flipping him based on the same exact rationale ("he's on a minutes restriction and it's only a matter of time before he gets hurt again").

Boston has four all-stars at their other positions. The best two of which are young. C's can afford a luxury player like Zinger, even with his injuries. They aren't in a one-year window mode with a superstar (Giannis) like we are.

In the ongoing debate, I'm still in the retool mode, assuming at this point Giannis would be willing to accept it. I understand though the belief that holding pat with our big 3 and hoping for the best might be the preferred route. It all comes to down to what other teams would offer for Middleton.

This!

[paulpressey25]

Agreed. You can load manage perfectly during the season and still have someone get hurt in April. But you have to play the odds and lessen the workload of Giannis, Khris and Dame. Ramp up bench minutes even at the cost of some wins.

This is where we miss Bud and his system. It produced more wins than the talent probably indicated.

That said, as we come up on the three year anniversary of the title, our roster is not a pretty sight compared to then. Three years is a long time in the NBA.

Giannis - Three years older and injuries stacking up. And he's now got the big family (good for him, but anyone with three kids will tell you that you lose your edge for awhile when they're young)

Middleton - Ditto as Giannis.
Dame - Jrue - Dame is better, but he forces us into needing better defenders
Brook - Love the guy, but he's clearly lost a major step.

Pat - He was always a system player, but he can't produce in the system anymore
Bobby - Bobby is actually better than 2021 I think.

PJ - Dumbest mistake this ownership group has made. Giving him a 2/$20 deal was all we needed. Haven't replaced him with Crowder or anyone else.
Donte - Injured at the end of 2021, but we'd love him now
Bryn Forbes - Beasley - sort of a wash here
Jeff Teague - Green and Ajax sort of a wash

Getting regular season wins likely involves our big three playing some decent minutes.

[raferfenix]

It all comes to down to what other teams would offer for Middleton.

I’d add also what offers we’d get for Brook and Bobby.

Just takes 1 team with the right assets to value 1 of those guys highly.

[Dick Tate]

This whole off-season everyone on this board has been trying to figure out ways to move him. The only debate is what's his value to other teams, not whether or not he should be traded.

I don’t think it’s fair to lump in everyone who doesn’t post daily on the topic. Just so you know, volume posting does not equal majority opinion.

[paulpressey25]

It all comes to down to what other teams would offer for Middleton.

I’d add also what offers we’d get for Brook and Bobby.

Just takes 1 team with the right assets to value 1 of those guys highly.

Agreed. Whoever offers the most value/fit for any of those three guys is where I'd pull the trigger. But I don't think we can deal both Brook and Bobby. We need to keep one at least.