Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd (as coach pg 43)?

Chuck Diesel · Post #941 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:20 pm

Just a reminder- on May 29th Paul Henning reported that he was informed (presumably by one of the owners or Alex Lasry) Drew would be gone.

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El Duderino · Post #942 » by **El Duderino** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:21 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
I'd like our new POBO, one with the qualifications to hold the position, to do so.

I'm really starting to believe that regardless of who ends up becoming POBO, our new owners will really be calling the shots on any decision of significance, and maybe even on some non-big decisions.

They didn't spend 550 million to hire a team president or GM and let that guy be the Bucks version of Ted Thompson, while they mostly just sit back and observe. The Bucks are their ultimate toy to play with for a pair of super rich guys who are also huge basketball fans.

That said, if i put myself in their shoes and was crazy rich enough to buy an NBA or MLB team, could i just sit back and let a GM or president make all of the calls, even knowing that is the most likely path to success?

I don't know for sure just how involved i'd end up being.

RRyder823 · Post #943 » by **RRyder823** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:24 pm

tedbrogen wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:If the Bucks give up a 1st for Kidd it right up there with the worst possible moves the Bucks have ever done. This doesn't make a whole lot of sense i'll have to admit. Either they've told Hammond his job is safe going forward or this is going to do nothing but hurt our chances of getting one of the prime GM prospects. Why would a sought after GM candidate even consider coming to the Bucks if he can't even pick "His Own" head coach? This whole thing just seems strange but damn will I be pissed if we end up giving up a draft pick higher then a 2016 2nd rounder

Well, it's been stated by people with sources that the Bucks flat out rejected the first round pick deal and the Bucks have a bit more leverage than the Nets. If the Bucks just end up giving the Nets back their 2015 second rounder, than who really cares? If they give them a protected first that the Bucks have zero hope of losing this season so the Nets really are getting nothing except a morale victory, who really cares?

I would care simply for the point that Kidd is not worth any 1st round pick, protected or not, to have coach the Bucks. He has one year of coaching experience and while the Nets did improve throughout the year he didn't come off as some kind of mad genius. Also if the Bucks don't have the other piece's in place already as some here have speculated then it only compounds the matter further cause if we were to try and bring in any top of the line front office guys then they would want more then just a "here's your coach and we hope he turns out great" kind of a sales pitch to get them here.

But if they have those guys in place already and are just waiting to announce them and don't give up anything more then just "meh" compensation then I don't have a big problem with this move. But if they don't like I said to me it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense

THE DINJ · Post #944 » by **THE DINJ** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:26 pm

The new owners have some currency with me but this would spend quite a bit.

bucksbrewers3 · Post #945 » by **bucksbrewers3** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:27 pm

i love how it was all "hes a wife beating drunk that has no experience to run a team" now its basically ok with all of that and only one year of coaching experience as long its as coach and not front office work. classic

Max Green · Post #946 » by **Max Green** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:28 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mikedavis_js/status/481066038730031106[/tweet]

I forgot about this tweet, So at the very least we know that the owners have been interviewing guys already for POBO for at least a week.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out if the Owners have already brought on our next POBO or at the very least identified that person and they have some involvement in the pursuit of Kidd. Remember things have been very tight lipped regarding our organization. The only person who seems to have a legitimate source inside the org is Buckpack and he hasn't spoken situation as far as I know.

Ayt · Post #947 » by **Ayt** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:29 pm

VooDoo7 wrote:
BigDoggyStyle wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:So our owners are the dudes making the call on the head coach.

Great.

Would you rather have Hammond make the call? Don't think so.
If our owners aren't confident in Hammond to do his job, then they need to fire him....hire a new GM...and let him hire a coach.

Maybe they don't yet know who they'd want to replace him with.

Matches Malone · Post #948 » by **Matches Malone** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:31 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/483391597413806082[/tweet]

I thought this part was pretty important.

"If the Nets agree then there will be a deal, if they don't then (the Bucks) are comfortable moving on and there will be nothing further to talk about," said the source. "The only thing (the Bucks) would give them is a second-round pick. They want a first. In the next 24 hours, there will either be a deal or there won't be a deal."

steger_3434 · Post #949 » by **steger_3434** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:31 pm

El Duderino wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
I'd like our new POBO, one with the qualifications to hold the position, to do so.

I'm really starting to believe that regardless of who ends up becoming POBO, our new owners will really be calling the shots on any decision of significance, and maybe even on some non-big decisions.

They didn't spend 550 million to hire a team president or GM and let that guy be the Bucks version of Ted Thompson, while they mostly just sit back and observe. The Bucks are their ultimate toy to play with for a pair of super rich guys who are also huge basketball fans.

That said, if i put myself in their shoes and was crazy rich enough to buy an NBA or MLB team, could i just sit back and let a GM or president make all of the calls, even knowing that is the most likely path to success?

I don't know for sure just how involved i'd end up being.

I think everyone here would be a meddling owner and if you say no your lying to yourself. Meddling isn't a bad thing. It was with Kohl because his vision was 8th seed. If the current owners know that the way to be successful is to build for the future, then I have no problem with them meddling. Hell, I'd be the biggest meddler in the NBA if I was an owner.

JackSIKMA43 · Post #950 » by **JackSIKMA43** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:32 pm

Anyone else find the timing of all of this to be a bit strange? Elmer Fudd would have drafted Jabari Parker with that pick. Why wait until after the draft to start putting all of your guys in place? The mere fact that Larry Drew was sitting there next to Jabari on Friday, comes off as incredibly asinine.

Ayt · Post #951 » by **Ayt** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:33 pm

MrPerfect1 wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:I specifically mentioned Michael Jordan by name as an example of someone who had success as a player in an opposing manner to Kidd. Jordan did it with freakish athleticism and otherworldly natural gifts. Kidd's success was because of his intelligence. That was my argument.

I think this is a Myth. Kidd succeeded primarily because of his Legendary Court Vision and passing ability. Being able to have superior Vision and Passing Ability is not due to intelligence. He also had good size for a PG and was pretty strong/athletic.

Why do you randomly capitalize words?

randy84 · Post #952 » by **randy84** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:37 pm

So Hammond, Morway and Babcock are safe...Drew is a goner either way.

Not ideal, but I will take it.

Wooderson · Post #953 » by **Wooderson** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:38 pm

bucksbrewers3 wrote:i love how it was all "hes a wife beating drunk that has no experience to run a team" now its basically ok with all of that and only one year of coaching experience as long its as coach and not front office work. classic

The sabotaging of relationships and inciting drama was always a much bigger concern than that off the court personal stuff. His personality/ego has permeated his entire basketball career.

VooDoo7 · Post #954 » by **VooDoo7** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:38 pm

Ayt wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:
BigDoggyStyle wrote:
Would you rather have Hammond make the call? Don't think so.
If our owners aren't confident in Hammond to do his job, then they need to fire him....hire a new GM...and let him hire a coach.

Maybe they don't yet know who they'd want to replace him with.

So hire a new head coach, then a GM? That's ass backwards. Maybe they promised Kidd he could hire his own GM. :lol:

KidA24 · Post #955 » by **KidA24** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:39 pm

JackSIKMA43 wrote:Anyone else find the timing of all of this to be a bit strange? Elmer Fudd would have drafted Jabari Parker with that pick. Why wait until after the draft to start putting all of your guys in place? The mere fact that Larry Drew was sitting there next to Jabari on Friday, comes off as incredibly asinine.

Because you don't want them taking their knowledge of who you want and who you like out the door to another team before the draft.

jtf150 · Post #956 » by **jtf150** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:41 pm

I just saw ESPN said that the Bucks have agreed to have Kidd as their coach as long as the Nets agree to take back their second round pick

machu46 · Post #957 » by **machu46** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:41 pm

StikWitEM wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/483391597413806082[/tweet]

I thought this part was pretty important.

"If the Nets agree then there will be a deal, if they don't then (the Bucks) are comfortable moving on and there will be nothing further to talk about," said the source. "The only thing (the Bucks) would give them is a second-round pick. They want a first. In the next 24 hours, there will either be a deal or there won't be a deal."

Oh thank god.

Fresh_Prince12 · Post #958 » by **Fresh_Prince12** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:41 pm

StikWitEM wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/483391597413806082[/tweet]

I thought this part was pretty important.

"If the Nets agree then there will be a deal, if they don't then (the Bucks) are comfortable moving on and there will be nothing further to talk about," said the source. "The only thing (the Bucks) would give them is a second-round pick. They want a first. In the next 24 hours, there will either be a deal or there won't be a deal."

love that they gave them an ultimatum

Fresh_Prince12 · Post #959 » by **Fresh_Prince12** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:42 pm

jtf150 wrote:I just saw in ESPN that the Bucks have agreed to have Kidd as their coach as long as the Nets agree to take back their second round pick

as I said before this is awesome. These are the new bucks, no more pussy footing around

Post #960 » by **paulpressey25** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:43 pm

randy84 wrote:So Hammond, Morway and Babcock are safe...Drew is a goner either way.

Not ideal, but I will take it.

Safe? Safe like Lincoln at the Ford Theater that night of the John Wilkes Booth play.

Jason Kidd is coming in as their "coach" instead of possibly as POBO now, being presumably hired directly by the owners.

I don't want Hammond here, but the play being run in the play book is vintage Kohl. Let's just hope these guys are able to execute the play better than Kohl, because we are all going to sink or swim together on this.

Do you want the Bucks to hire Jason Kidd as POBO?