ATL - New Lottery Rules Move to Owner Vote - pg59

[RRyder823]

How many times on here have I read that it'll be the Bucks fault if Giannis leaves in three years? It's literally the exact same thing as Durant choosing to leave.

Yes and no. It's not so much that he left. But rather that he left for the team that beat him so he could choose the oath of least resistance.

It'll be literally the exact same thing if Giannis chooses to go to say Philly after having them dead to rights up 3-1 in the ECF only to have Philly come back and stomp him the next 3 games

He's free to do what he wants but acting like the move wasn't weak is disingenuous.

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[Nowak008]

How many times on here have I read that it'll be the Bucks fault if Giannis leaves in three years? It's literally the exact same thing as Durant choosing to leave.

Huh? If Giannis leaves it's because our team sucks. Giannis was 2nd team all NBA this year and we won 42 in the crap east and lost to a bad Raptors team. The Thunder won 55 games and was up 3-1 in the conference finals against a team that won 73 games. How is that even close?

My contention is what Durant did is the most cowardly move in sports history. I can't even imagine coming up with a bigger puss move. Maybe Pippen sitting on the bench in that playoff game? But that was more of a douchebag move not really cowardly. I honestly don't think I could come up with a fictitious scenario that would be worse. Durant's cowardice record is on par with Ripken's/Dimaggio streaks - it will never be broken.

[DrWood]

I'm not a fan of Durant. I think he's been overrated from day one, and continues to be overrated.
But the guy had enough money to spend over several lifetimes. He probably could have gotten more money elsewhere.
He went where he had the best chance to win.
Would he have shown more character to go to a team where he had 1/10 the chance to win a title? Maybe, if intelligence isn't part of character.
There's nothing wrong with going after the ring.

[M-C-G]

Lebron is the only one I think was ****, and it wasn't that he left, it's that he held an entire city hostage and then embarrassed them in front of the entire world. That was straight up ****.

I feel like I live in a different world when people criticize The Decision. I view The Decision as one of the most wonderful things any NBA player has ever done. LeBron raised $6 million for charity from the ad revenue from that ESPN special.

I wish every star free agent had their own Decision-like special where they raise millions for charity but that will never happen because of the backlash LeBron received.

I know many people from Cleveland and if a basketball player had the ability to 11M people of Ohio into an instant depression and embarrassment, it happened that day.

Last year Forbes said Lebron has a 275M net worth. That 6M represents 2% of his net worth. There are better ways to raise funds in my opinion, just look at what JJ Watt has done.


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[ReasonablySober]

How many times on here have I read that it'll be the Bucks fault if Giannis leaves in three years? It's literally the exact same thing as Durant choosing to leave.

Huh? If Giannis leaves it's because our team sucks. Giannis was 2nd team all NBA this year and we won 42 in the crap east and lost to a bad Raptors team. The Thunder won 55 games and was up 3-1 in the conference finals against a team that won 73 games. How is that even close?

My contention is what Durant did is the most cowardly move in sports history. I can't even imagine coming up with a bigger puss move. Maybe Pippen sitting on the bench in that playoff game? But that was more of a douchebag move not really cowardly. I honestly don't think I could come up with a fictitious scenario that would be worse. Durant's cowardice record is on par with Ripken's/Dimaggio streaks - it will never be broken.

You just said it. Because the gulf between winning 53 games and 73 is massive. If my GM's best effort was to put together a team that was an enormous underdog against a conference rival, I'd probably move on too.

[blazza18]

Durant should've signed with Brooklyn imo. Wouldn't have been happy but at least he wouldn't be called a pussy.

[Nowak008]

You just said it. Because the gulf between winning 53 games and 73 is massive. If my GM's best effort was to put together a team that was an enormous underdog against a conference rival, I'd probably move on too.

I thought of a possible equivalent pussy move - Gordon Bombay after coaching the Ducks to the championship game decides to ditch the Ducks, join the Sharks as their starting Right Wing, and proceed to destroy all the 10 year olds and win 167-0. That's what Kevin Durant did.

[ReasonablySober]

Good move IMO.


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[ReasonablySober]

For real, though. Does anyone look back at Barkley's career and call it noble? Or do they just clown on him for being maybe the best to never win a ring? (it's the latter)

Lotta people **** on Drexler's legacy because he wanted to be traded to the defending champs despite being on a winning team?

[AussieBuck]

There might be a middle ground that doesn't involve MVPs joining 73 win teams. Good for him, massive frontrunner move.

[MidnightBuck]

How many times on here have I read that it'll be the Bucks fault if Giannis leaves in three years? It's literally the exact same thing as Durant choosing to leave.

Durant had an all-world sidekick and a supporting cast that was better in the aggregate than the Bucks'.

[ReasonablySober]

How many times on here have I read that it'll be the Bucks fault if Giannis leaves in three years? It's literally the exact same thing as Durant choosing to leave.

Durant had an all-world sidekick and a supporting cast that was better in the aggregate than the Bucks'.

And was still 20 games worse than the team they were chasing.

[MidnightBuck]

How many times on here have I read that it'll be the Bucks fault if Giannis leaves in three years? It's literally the exact same thing as Durant choosing to leave.

Durant had an all-world sidekick and a supporting cast that was better in the aggregate than the Bucks'.

And was still 20 games worse than the team they were chasing.

Regular season, sure. But they clearly showed they were more than capable of winning against them in the playoffs. Dynamic would have totally changed the next year had Durant stayed, I'm sure.

[ReasonablySober]

Okay. No one is changing minds. Good debate, peace.

[bizarro]

Kevin Durant a heel for wanting to be happy both on and off the court instead of doing what fans think he should do.

One day athletes will be treated like real people.

Not to mention the sheer silliness of moving from the cultural Mecca that is Oklahoma City for the cultural desert that is the San Francisco Bay! What was he thinking!?!

[FlagsFlyForever]

How is what Durant did any different than what David West did when he joined Golden State? Or what LMA did when he left Portland to join the Spurs dynasty? Or what Moses Malone did when he joined the loaded Sixers team that averaged 60 wins and had two Finals appearances in the previous three seasons? Or what Dominique Wilkins did when he joined the 59-win Spurs? Or what Jamaal Wilkes did when he joined Kareem's Lakers and won three championships? Or what Gary Payton and Karl Malone did when they joined Shaq's Lakers? Or what Shaq did to join the 53-win Lakers in the first place?

Players do what Durant did all the time. Durant is the only player who gets criticized for it.

[Nowak008]

How many times on here have I read that it'll be the Bucks fault if Giannis leaves in three years? It's literally the exact same thing as Durant choosing to leave.

Durant had an all-world sidekick and a supporting cast that was better in the aggregate than the Bucks'.

And was still 20 games worse than the team they were chasing.

Did you know its been 30 years since the Bucks have won that many games? Also, they probably would have won more games if they gave a crap about the regular season ala the Cavs last year. The Thunder made the conference finals 3 times and finals once. It was his fault OKC lost to Golden State on top of it... Durant went 32 for 81 from the field including 7-27 from 3. He choked hard. It wasn't his supporting casts fault.

[ReasonablySober]

Durant had an all-world sidekick and a supporting cast that was better in the aggregate than the Bucks'.

And was still 20 games worse than the team they were chasing.

Did you know its been 30 years since the Bucks have won that many games? Also, they probably would have won more games if they gave a crap about the regular season ala the Cavs last year. The Thunder made the conference finals 3 times and finals once. It was his fault OKC lost to Golden State on top of it... Durant went 32 for 81 from the field including 7-27 from 3. He choked hard. It wasn't his supporting casts fault.

I'm saying if the Bucks won 53 games (great for them!) but a Boston or Philly team was winning 73 I'd get the hell out too.

[blazza18]

Completely ignoring how poor Westbrook was on both ends plus how poor the role players were by the end just to **** on Durant says everything

[Nowak008]

Completely ignoring how poor Westbrook was on both ends plus how poor the role players were by the end just to **** on Durant says everything

Durant was the MVP and most important player, shouldn't get take most the blame? He played like poop the last 3 games of the series. Also, I don't care he left OKC. Want to leave there? Fine, just don't go to the team that just knocked you out and set the record for most wins in the regular season. There was an unprecedented cap spike, he could have literally went anywhere.

His decision has basically wrecked the league for the next few years. I don't see how anyone thinks that's good. The Cavs had to score like 80 points in half just to win a game against them. (Also, I secretly think that GS tanked game 4 because they didn't want to go 16-0)