Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

DavidDunn21 · Post #941 » by **DavidDunn21** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:05 am

The history of the Association is filled with guys who have a two or three year bad run with injuries and then they all of a sudden...don't.

I don't know about his medicals and neither do you, but people acting like him missing games is some deal breaker is disingenuous. You weren't saying that before the Bucks traded him.

We traded for Bledsoe who had three significant knee injuries. Brook was acquired with foot and back problems. Embiid. Curry. Paul George. Kawhi.

We traded our Derek Fisher for reasons unclear. It's okay to say you don't know why.

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machu46 · Post #942 » by **machu46** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:40 pm

soxperry wrote:
James1980 wrote:The evidence is there that the owners did not want to pay the luxury tax this year. We could have matched Brogdon's deal, but didn't. We could have moved $700,000 from Hill's first year to a later year and kept the TPE to get someone via trade, but didn't.

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Where did you get this info?

I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that no one else here seems to know or understand what is going on with the TPE... so if you could provide a link and also expand on how the 700k thing effects the TPE I think a lot of us would really appreciate that.

Albert Nahmad talked about the $700k on Twitter. One example:

Read on Twitter

In order for this to have worked, we would have had to shave the $700k, which would have allowed us to sign Hill BEFORE the sign-and-trade, which would have allowed us to keep the trade exception.

With the sign-and-trade being executed first, we would have had to create significantly more cap space in order to keep the trade exception while still signing George Hill. Instead, we opted to renounce the trade exception. I think this is a far more glaring sign than not matching Brogdon's contract; there's at least a legitimate defense for why the sign-and-trade made sense for us to do. There's really no logical reason that we should have burned the trade exception outside of "We had no intention of ever using it anyways".

emunney · Post #943 » by **emunney** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:59 pm

If it's true that we don't have the TPE, which it seems to be, that's **** bad.

Post #944 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:06 pm

So we punted on a $10 million TPE over $700k? Doesn't seem right.

Baddy Chuck · Post #945 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:18 pm

Maybe he meant cap expert as in hats.

Matches Malone · Post #946 » by **Matches Malone** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:19 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we did have the TPE and we used it, it would have put us in the luxury tax right? If that's the case, it seems there are two reasons right there, that the Owners really aren't willing to go into the tax (at least not this year). 1. Not matching Brogdon and 2. Ditching the TPE. 2 games away from the Finals and we decide now is the time not to pay the tax? Doesn't sounds good to me.

buckboy · Post #947 » by **buckboy** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:27 pm

If all of that is true, it seems as though the owners were trying to avoid the tax, which sucks. The upside may be that they know Giannis is signing the supermax next summer and they know they're going to be in the tax big-time starting in 2 years and they're trying to avoid the repeater.

I also don't know that any of that is true, so still withholding judgement. Problem with that is we're never really going to know the full story.

Siefer · Post #948 » by **Siefer** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:28 pm

****. It really looks like we're sacrificing percentage points on the court to avoid the tax.

Siefer · Post #949 » by **Siefer** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:34 pm

buckboy wrote:If all of that is true, it seems as though the owners were trying to avoid the tax, which sucks. The upside may be that they know Giannis is signing the supermax next summer and they know they're going to be in the tax big-time starting in 2 years and they're trying to avoid the repeater.

I also don't know that any of that is true, so still withholding judgement. Problem with that is we're never really going to know the full story.

I think that's exactly what's going on. Lowe took a very specific shot at LED the other day, and it's looking more and more like he was on the money.

emunney · Post #950 » by **emunney** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:18 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we did have the TPE and we used it, it would have put us in the luxury tax right? If that's the case, it seems there are two reasons right there, that the Owners really aren't willing to go into the tax (at least not this year). 1. Not matching Brogdon and 2. Ditching the TPE. 2 games away from the Finals and we decide now is the time not to pay the tax? Doesn't sounds good to me.

We wouldn't have *had* to use it. If an opportunity comes along that is worth going into the lux tax, then go for it. There's also a range where you could use a lesser amount, not go into the luxury tax, and then restart the clock with a smaller TPE.

I find it hard to believe that there wasn't a creative way to make less than 1m in space to preserve this flexibility for a team that will now be capped out until it's no longer relevant.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #951 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:20 pm

Read on Twitter

machu46 · Post #952 » by **machu46** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:36 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:

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Yep, definitely disappointing. I find it hard to believe we couldn't have just trimmed $700k off George Hill's contract; would be shocking if he needed that $700k to accept our offer and then we could have avoided all of this.

HaroldinGMinor · Post #953 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:36 pm

I really need to know if I'm supposed to be mad at Brogdon or LED. This is getting annoying.

tski1972 · Post #954 » by **tski1972** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:38 pm

but I thought Horst was a cap expert?

what other lies have we been told?

HaroldinGMinor · Post #955 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:46 pm

tski1972 wrote:but I thought Horst was a cap expert?

what other lies have we been told?

Coke Zero tastes just like regular Coke.

James1980 · Post #956 » by **James1980** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:50 pm

It has been confirmed that we didn't get the TPE, correct? I saw that we wouldn't be getting a TPE a few days ago on Eric Nehm's twitter, but that we could have had we paid Hill 700,000 less in the first year and moved that to his 2nd or 3rd year.

soxperry wrote:
James1980 wrote:The evidence is there that the owners did not want to pay the luxury tax this year. We could have matched Brogdon's deal, but didn't. We could have moved $700,000 from Hill's first year to a later year and kept the TPE to get someone via trade, but didn't.

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Where did you get this info?

I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that no one else here seems to know or understand what is going on with the TPE... so if you could provide a link and also expand on how the 700k thing effects the TPE I think a lot of us would really appreciate that.

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SupremeHustle · Post #957 » by **SupremeHustle** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:55 pm

Jon Horst will not bust a cap for your ass.

DavidDunn21 · Post #958 » by **DavidDunn21** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:02 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:Jon Horst will not bust a cap for your ass.

Take a bow

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Post #959 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:09 pm

tski1972 wrote:but I thought Horst was a cap expert?

what other lies have we been told?

I'm sure he knew all about this. It's evident that he was told no luxury tax this year under any circumstances. Otherwise you can easily trim $700k and have the TPE (which you don't HAVE to use)

SupremeHustle · Post #960 » by **SupremeHustle** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:15 pm

DavidDunn21 wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:Jon Horst will not bust a cap for your ass.
Take a bow

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