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[Badgerlander]

What’s our version of the de’anthony Melton trade at this coming draft?

There’s persistent rumors that the sixers and bulls have an agreement to trade for Lavine but philly is hesitating. If it happens Melton is in the package and I would love to go after him.

[JayMKE]

I agree Bobby and Pat are too important to the team, moving them constitutes more of a risk to blow up in our faces than the upside we'd likely get in return. This is a vibes team with a vibes coach, **** that up would be a bad idea IMO.

[crowhead76]

what if pats compensation was cicrumventative of the cap?

Even if that were true, how does that make him immovable?

It makes it uncomfortable, for sure. But it's a business at the end of the day.

I do agree, though, he is less likely to get moved than Bobby.

in theory having the information that it happened could be used as essentially a No trade clause

i have no info on if that would happen, just something to consider. And why I dont bother putting pat in trades because of how many factors he has in his favor between Dame/Giannis/Ownership/Playoff performance/ and perhaps this

So this is all speculation?

[BigO]

Couple more comments:

1) Pat is highly unlikely to be traded, because he is very close to Ted Kellner, who is a Bucks minority owner, a leader of the UW NIL Varsity Collective and one of the biggest contributors to the Republican Party. It's why PC, who never went to UW, was chosen to give a graduation speech there a few years ago. Also, the Bucks President is a UW grad and close to Kellner and on the advisory counsel of the UW collective (Kellner is on the Board and it's financial leader). Kellner has sway and he is Pat's mentor.

2) If Bobby wasn't on the Bucks, all those who want to trade him, would be floating trade ideas in order for the Bucks to get a bench player who can score and rebound (in other words Bobby Portis). He's worth a ton more than a low first round draft choice, as has been floated.

3) Every team has some weakness in their roster. We know what the Bucks is. Just don't fill that need and thereby create a different weakness.

[ShootingtheJ]

What’s our version of the de’anthony Melton trade at this coming draft?

There’s persistent rumors that the sixers and bulls have an agreement to trade for Lavine but philly is hesitating. If it happens Melton is in the package and I would love to go after him.

Is the hesitation from Philly simply because they can't aggregate any combination of Morris, Tatum, and Covington until December 30th?

[crowhead76]

Who do you think will be out there ? Not that Bobby is the greatest , but he does bring energy to our team. This reminds me in away when we traded Scott Williams . wasn't a great player but he did alot of the little things that gave us energy for Anthony Mason (don't know the details) it didn't work out ! I'm really curious who you think will be available.

Bucks have a guy in Bolden on a 2 way that is quietly having a nice season playing for the Herd. Would not be opposed to giving him some run for the Bucks to see how he fits.

Maybe Robin can come up with a mysterious injury and bring him up to what see we have! Not banking on D leaguer to fill Bobby's shoes!

Don't need an injury to Robin, they can play him whenever they want. He does not need to be brought up from the G League, he is a 2 way player eligible to play in either league. Not banking on him either, but it would be interesting to see him get a little bit of playing time. I would not be quite so quick to dismiss players, who would have thought that the 57th player chosen in the past draft would be outplaying Looney for the Warriors currently.

[Shaffty]

Even if that were true, how does that make him immovable?

It makes it uncomfortable, for sure. But it's a business at the end of the day.

I do agree, though, he is less likely to get moved than Bobby.

in theory having the information that it happened could be used as essentially a No trade clause

i have no info on if that would happen, just something to consider. And why I dont bother putting pat in trades because of how many factors he has in his favor between Dame/Giannis/Ownership/Playoff performance/ and perhaps this

So this is all speculation?

informed speculation is all i post

[crowhead76]

Couple more comments:

1) Pat is highly unlikely to be traded, because he is very close to Ted Kellner, who is a Bucks minority owner, a leader of the UW NIL Varsity Collective and one of the biggest contributors to the Republican Party. It's why PC, who never went to UW, was chosen to give a graduation speech there a few years ago. Also, the Bucks President is a UW grad and close to Kellner and on the advisory counsel of the UW collective (Kellner is on the Board and it's financial leader). Kellner has sway and he is Pat's mentor.

2) If Bobby wasn't on the Bucks, all those who want to trade him, would be floating trade ideas in order for the Bucks to get a bench player who can score and rebound (in other words Bobby Portis). He's worth a ton more than a low first round draft choice, as has been floated.

3) Every team has some weakness in their roster. We know what the Bucks is. Just don't fill that need and thereby create a different weakness.

Interesting article in response to players being close to an owner. Cuban ultimately trusted his advisors more than his personal feelings. Not saying you are wrong, just do not buy that if an opportunity came along to improve the roster that Pat is unlikely to be traded. I like Pat and he has always showed up in a huge way in the playoffs, but winning in the NBA is a business and I am less convinced that he is immovable. I think that those that continue to site his relationships off the court with ownership, Giannis and Dame might be a bit surprised at how moveable Pat may be, that is just my opinion however.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18059446/chandler-parsons-mark-cuban-bromance-threatened-mavericks

[Milbucks96]

If the bucks go into the playoffs with this wing rotation and just shrug their shoulders, we gotta clean house after the inevitable early playoff loss. We have two, trade friendly contracts at the moment, and a starting 2 guard role that needs to be filled. I believe Horst will try to address that with whatever is at his disposal. Bobby and Pat has to be shopped around.

[WiscoKing13]

I think it's hysterical that in the same year we traded Jrue, somehow this board thinks owners will step in and not trade Pat.

With that said unless theirs some wing out there that is a clear and obvious upgrade he's not getting traded bc of his value on the floor.

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[Daver]

I think it's hysterical that in the same year we traded Jrue, somehow this board thinks owners will step in and not trade Pat.

With that said unless theirs some wing out there that is a clear and obvious upgrade he's not getting traded bc of his value on the floor.

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And i also think for all the people pining on not trading AJJ or marjon either thry are also vety delusional no one is untouchable on this roster expect the big 4.
Horst will trade AJJ/marjon /pat/ bobby in a nanosecond if he can get a upgrade at the 2

[JayMKE]

I think it's hysterical that in the same year we traded Jrue, somehow this board thinks owners will step in and not trade Pat.

With that said unless theirs some wing out there that is a clear and obvious upgrade he's not getting traded bc of his value on the floor.

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Jrue got us an upgrade in Dame and Giannis to resign, trading Pat or Bobby isn't going to get us anybody that moves the needle while potentially destabilizing the locker room so it doesn't compare. Obviously we've missed Jrue a lot too, its too bad he couldn't play next to Dame.

I think Marjon is more likely to be moved than either

[Daver]

I think it's hysterical that in the same year we traded Jrue, somehow this board thinks owners will step in and not trade Pat.

With that said unless theirs some wing out there that is a clear and obvious upgrade he's not getting traded bc of his value on the floor.

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Jrue got us an upgrade in Dame and Giannis to resign, trading Pat or Bobby isn't going to get us anybody that moves the needle while potentially destabilizing the locker room so it doesn't compare. Obviously we've missed Jrue a lot too, its too bad he couldn't play next to Dame.

I think Marjon is more likely to be moved than either

Dame/holiday woukd of made 1 hell of a backcourt

[nagawicka]

Even if that were true, how does that make him immovable?

It makes it uncomfortable, for sure. But it's a business at the end of the day.

I do agree, though, he is less likely to get moved than Bobby.

weren't the real estate opportunities said to possibly be a reason Pat signed with US aka at what we could offer? In other words, he's still got those and those business relationships aren't any sort of obstacle to moving Connaughton. If the Bucks are moving Patty, they no longer need those business relationships. If he's staying, it's for glue guy stability--and Patty'll be moved before Bobby Portis, b/c where ya'll gonna get another lighting rod? Rebounds don't grow on undersized guards.

Lightning rod, yes. Rebounding, yes. Scoring, yes. The main reason Bobby gets moved before Pat is because he holds actual trade value. He is a luxury asset for us. Turning him into a closing perimeter defender should be the focus. And believe you me, I have grown to love him.

Also, on the lightning rod front, Bobby has been flying a little too close to the sun recently. Hasn't bitten us in the ass too hard yet, but he has been especially unhinged these last few games. Just an observation.

Reading this as Bobby drops 5pts in a few seconds amid lotsa ball movement

[Badgerlander]

Lofton signed a two way with the Sixers

[Badgerlander]

What’s our version of the de’anthony Melton trade at this coming draft?

There’s persistent rumors that the sixers and bulls have an agreement to trade for Lavine but philly is hesitating. If it happens Melton is in the package and I would love to go after him.

Is the hesitation from Philly simply because they can't aggregate any combination of Morris, Tatum, and Covington until December 30th?

And lavine being out probably

[nagawicka]

I see that you really want to trade Bobby , in your scenario, who the is back up center or pf ? don't care about Pat , he's just a guy . Portis isn't un tradable , I just want a big back!

I don’t think it’s that hard to find another stretch big who isn’t a good defender. There’s buyout level guys and free agents in general who could fill that slot.

Who do you think will be out there ? Not that Bobby is the greatest , but he does bring energy to our team. This reminds me in away when we traded Scott Williams . wasn't a great player but he did alot of the little things that gave us energy for Anthony Mason (don't know the details) it didn't work out ! I'm really curious who you think will be available.

Yeh, NO, your question is What stretch big's available that IS a good defender. There's no value in trading Bobby at all when a) points & rebound contributions are dismissed and b) complaints about his D doesn't prompt even looking for a *defensive* stretch big in return. When you refuse to recognize what you have and refuse to get back in trade what fixes the main complaint, do you really have any basis for a bobby portis trade proposal at all, and sobl what's the motivation.

[nagawicka]

Right; compare AJJ as starter in 2 games vs. Beasley in 2 games starting. You'd gain more relevant #s for gauging players & lineups.

Beasley's numbers aren't going away just because you don't like them.

I actually like Beasley. Nothing to do with not liking his numbers.

Andre has a better fit next to Dame in the backcourt, unless those two step up more on defense. Its that simple.

Brook & Giannis should only have to do so much.

Beasley's substantially outperformed 'expectations'--if you can call them that. But that's just in the abstract, raw can't beat experience on paper. I've liked AJJ as the starting 2 in an ideal-er/more 'powerful' lineup before posters clamoring for it here. Doesn't really matter as Grif works each guy in gradually, and both make a strong contributions to the second five, so where they got burn just strengthened the full depth of the roster These rotation guys have much better flow now and Grif will continue working in/on the bottom of the roster beyond AJJ bc now's the time to season em up and he won't be able

[nagawicka]

I agree Bobby and Pat are too important to the team, moving them constitutes more of a risk to blow up in our faces than the upside we'd likely get in return. This is a vibes team with a vibes coach, **** that up would be a bad idea IMO.

This is exactly it more than anything. Subtracting your glue guy and your lightning rod as the roster gels at the immediate outset of the Dame-Giannis Window you've just created? Not a high-percentage move and short-circuiting what you've got is bad mojo. Credit to Grif for working the so-called supporting cast into the mix, they need the burn to get in the flow full-blown so all the lineups hum

[Matches Malone]

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