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ReasonablySober wrote:emunney wrote:crkone wrote:
Still think this is an awesome fit for us. Huge wing and a knock down shooter, great range, high overall skill level, smart passer -- think he'll have a long career.
30. Milwaukee Bucks
Luka Samanic
Olimpija Ljubljana
Age: 19.3
F
Height: 6-foot-11 | Weight: 227
Size, perimeter shooting and defensive versatility at every position is the name of the game for the Bucks, who earned the most regular-season wins in the NBA using that formula.
With frontcourt depth a real question moving forward, it might make sense to think about adding a player like Samanic to the mix. The Croatian has helped his stock with a strong pre-draft process and has plenty of upside to grow into given his age.
leroyjw10 wrote:I'm all over Jontay Porter. I think he could be our Brook of the future, even if he has to sit out all of next year to recover.
jakecronus8 wrote:Rookies generally are net negatives and this deep in the draft the chances of finding someone that helps you next year is close to nil. If someone is dumb enough to take Ersan or snell’s deal in exchange for that pick, take it and run. In my ideal situation we could do that and sell someone on DDV to dump the other. The time to strike is now. If not, take the highest upside left. Samanic, Obiesie, Sirvydis, Baszley. Even a redshirt guy like Jontay.
Gery Woelfel wrote:Got a time big boy?
LuessiT wrote:leroyjw10 wrote:I'm all over Jontay Porter. I think he could be our Brook of the future, even if he has to sit out all of next year to recover.
And why invest in 'the Brook of the future' when you could get Brook on the BAE last season? Sure, Brook is going to get paid now but there are centers capable of bombing from 3 available for peanuts every year. You don't draft Jontay because you think he may eventually be like Brook.
You draft him because he might be much more than that. For me, that is not the case. I wouldn't draft Jontay because he's not able to contribute right now and may never even be able to during his rookie and even if he is, his archetype isn't really that valueable unless he hits his ceiling.
leroyjw10 wrote:LuessiT wrote:leroyjw10 wrote:I'm all over Jontay Porter. I think he could be our Brook of the future, even if he has to sit out all of next year to recover.
And why invest in 'the Brook of the future' when you could get Brook on the BAE last season? Sure, Brook is going to get paid now but there are centers capable of bombing from 3 available for peanuts every year. You don't draft Jontay because you think he may eventually be like Brook.
You draft him because he might be much more than that. For me, that is not the case. I wouldn't draft Jontay because he's not able to contribute right now and may never even be able to during his rookie and even if he is, his archetype isn't really that valueable unless he hits his ceiling.
Getting Brook at the BAE was an anomaly, and the Bucks aren't likely to find a guy like him at that price again. And I think he could be more than just a 3-point shooter. I see someone who could be like a Marc Gasol - not overly athletic, but super smart and skilled.
And if you bring back Brook next year, who cares if Jontay takes a redshirt. He likely wouldn't play much anyways. Drafting him is a long-term play.
Matches Malone wrote:Samanic or Cam Johnson would both be excellent selections at 30. I also like Ty Jerome.
trwi7 wrote:**** me deep, Giannis. ****. Me. Deep.
machu46 wrote:Matches Malone wrote:Samanic or Cam Johnson would both be excellent selections at 30. I also like Ty Jerome.
Yeah, I'd probably be as excited as you can be about a #30 pick if we ended up with one of those three.
LuessiT wrote:leroyjw10 wrote:LuessiT wrote:
And why invest in 'the Brook of the future' when you could get Brook on the BAE last season? Sure, Brook is going to get paid now but there are centers capable of bombing from 3 available for peanuts every year. You don't draft Jontay because you think he may eventually be like Brook.
You draft him because he might be much more than that. For me, that is not the case. I wouldn't draft Jontay because he's not able to contribute right now and may never even be able to during his rookie and even if he is, his archetype isn't really that valueable unless he hits his ceiling.
Getting Brook at the BAE was an anomaly, and the Bucks aren't likely to find a guy like him at that price again. And I think he could be more than just a 3-point shooter. I see someone who could be like a Marc Gasol - not overly athletic, but super smart and skilled.
And if you bring back Brook next year, who cares if Jontay takes a redshirt. He likely wouldn't play much anyways. Drafting him is a long-term play.
Frank Kaminsky will probably be available for next to nothing. Luke Kornet will be available for the min. There are plenty of legit 7 footers who can stretch the floor that are available for peanuts. It's not an anomaly. 3 point shooting at the center position at the cost of switchability is just not a desired feat. Not many teams can field someone like Giannis next to their stretch centers who can work it inside relentlessly.
As for Jontay being a a redshirt doesn't matter is a bad way to think. The Bucks FRP has trade value to other teams pre draft. If the Bucks turn down trading their pick and elect to draft someone instead, they choose to offer that player a significant amount of salary for up to 4 years as well as a roster spot. That salary and roster spot could be occupied by someone like Pat Connaughton, who brought and will bring significant value to the Bucks. Instead you have someone who can't contribute. Now after year 1, what do you expect? Do you expect Jontay to be all healed and ready to play a vital part in our rotation going forward? Significantly outplaying the remaining owed money on his deal? Significantly outplaying what could be a ring chaser on a minimum deal? So significantly that he'll make up for paying him his first year without contributing? So significantly that he'll make up for not trading the pick for a more valueable player? There is no way I think that happens. There is no knowing how he comes back from his injuries and while their is intrigue around his offensive skill set (passing & shooting), he has not yet shown much indication of being able to contribute defensively on a position that has the focus on mostly that. So basicly you're committing 4 years worth of salary. 4 years worth of roster spots and the value of pick #30 for a guy you want to acquire RFA rights on. And what exactly will he be? There is only really one valueable center that combines passing and outside shooting with similar deficiencies and that is Jokic. So if you don't think he'll be close to Jokic's level, he's probably going to be in between out of the league to replacement player level. Not really someone worth commiting all that much to.
I'm all for drafting with upside, but the right kind of upside. Jontay has an intriguing skillset, but if he developes favorably and you eventually like what he becomes, you use assets and trade for him. Drafting Jontay on average is a losing bet.
leroyjw10 wrote:LuessiT wrote:leroyjw10 wrote:
Getting Brook at the BAE was an anomaly, and the Bucks aren't likely to find a guy like him at that price again. And I think he could be more than just a 3-point shooter. I see someone who could be like a Marc Gasol - not overly athletic, but super smart and skilled.
And if you bring back Brook next year, who cares if Jontay takes a redshirt. He likely wouldn't play much anyways. Drafting him is a long-term play.
Frank Kaminsky will probably be available for next to nothing. Luke Kornet will be available for the min. There are plenty of legit 7 footers who can stretch the floor that are available for peanuts. It's not an anomaly. 3 point shooting at the center position at the cost of switchability is just not a desired feat. Not many teams can field someone like Giannis next to their stretch centers who can work it inside relentlessly.
As for Jontay being a a redshirt doesn't matter is a bad way to think. The Bucks FRP has trade value to other teams pre draft. If the Bucks turn down trading their pick and elect to draft someone instead, they choose to offer that player a significant amount of salary for up to 4 years as well as a roster spot. That salary and roster spot could be occupied by someone like Pat Connaughton, who brought and will bring significant value to the Bucks. Instead you have someone who can't contribute. Now after year 1, what do you expect? Do you expect Jontay to be all healed and ready to play a vital part in our rotation going forward? Significantly outplaying the remaining owed money on his deal? Significantly outplaying what could be a ring chaser on a minimum deal? So significantly that he'll make up for paying him his first year without contributing? So significantly that he'll make up for not trading the pick for a more valueable player? There is no way I think that happens. There is no knowing how he comes back from his injuries and while their is intrigue around his offensive skill set (passing & shooting), he has not yet shown much indication of being able to contribute defensively on a position that has the focus on mostly that. So basicly you're committing 4 years worth of salary. 4 years worth of roster spots and the value of pick #30 for a guy you want to acquire RFA rights on. And what exactly will he be? There is only really one valueable center that combines passing and outside shooting with similar deficiencies and that is Jokic. So if you don't think he'll be close to Jokic's level, he's probably going to be in between out of the league to replacement player level. Not really someone worth commiting all that much to.
I'm all for drafting with upside, but the right kind of upside. Jontay has an intriguing skillset, but if he developes favorably and you eventually like what he becomes, you use assets and trade for him. Drafting Jontay on average is a losing bet.
Brook >>>>>>>>>>Kaminsky>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kornet. To put either of those guys in Brook's ballpark is doing him a major disservice. Brook does soooooo much more than just shoot 3-pointers.
emunney wrote:See for context on THT's shooting %
Think this kid is a better pro than NCAA player.
LuessiT wrote:emunney wrote:See for context on THT's shooting %
Think this kid is a better pro than NCAA player.
There is no way he drops to #30 imo.
Bucksmaniac wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm starting to sour on Giannis