NBA - The Re-Open: - Connaughton has Covid-19, pg. 94

[midranger]

What is he talking about...not about basketball or safety? The NBA put out a 100+ page PDF detailing health and safety protocols, which leading health experts have said is about as good as it gets.

Pretty sure staying at home and not playing basketball vs hundreds of other dudes in the epicenter of the pandemic is safer.

[StickeeFingaz]

What is he talking about...not about basketball or safety? The NBA put out a 100+ page PDF detailing health and safety protocols, which leading health experts have said is about as good as it gets.

Pretty sure staying at home and not playing basketball vs hundreds of other dudes in the epicenter of the pandemic is safer.

Genius statement that completely ignores the context of my post.

[Chuck Diesel]

Paraphrasing Brian Windhorst this week. “If health were of the utmost concern to the NBA, they wouldn’t be bringing the Suns & the Wizards. Their main priority is revenue.”

[StickeeFingaz]

Paraphrasing Brian Windhorst this week. “If health were of the utmost concern to the NBA, they wouldn’t be bringing the Suns & the Wizards. Their main priority is revenue.”

Chuck, one wrong post isn't enough to tarnish your elite poster reputation, you know that. The plan was approved 28-0 by the NBPA, so all of the "NBA only cares about money" sentiment can't only be directed toward Silver and the league office.

The NBA and NBPA did their best to compromise so that the season can resume and everybody can recoup some money, all while making sure robust testing and safety protocols are implemented.

I think the plan is reasonable.

[Chuck Diesel]

Paraphrasing Brian Windhorst this week. “If health were of the utmost concern to the NBA, they wouldn’t be bringing the Suns & the Wizards. Their main priority is revenue.”

Chuck, one wrong post isn't enough to tarnish your elite poster reputation, you know that. The plan was approved 28-0 by the NBPA, so all of the "NBA only cares about money" sentiment can't only be directed toward Silver and the league office.

The NBA and NBPA did their best to compromise so that the season can resume and everybody can recoup some money, all while making sure robust testing and safety protocols are implemented.

I think the plan is reasonable.

You're right. I absolutely believe (as I have for awhile) there's been a disconnect between the NBAPA & a larger percentage of unwilling players then was originally reported/acknowledged by the media. It was never as close to unanimous, as we're learning now.

Went back and listened. The quote was from Dave McMenamin on Windy's pod.

Fundamentally, the way the information coming out has been framed has been detrimental to the process. For a long time, what we've been talking about is the health concerns. If it was truly about health concerns there wouldn't be 22 teams in the bubble. It just wouldn't. There'd be 16 teams. They take out six teams and all those people that those teams would represent & boil it down. But the money is what's ruling the day here. If that was the conversation to begin with and the players were told in very clear terms that if we have this bubble with 22 teams it means you have $650 million dollars in your pocket that you wouldn't lose and that's where we're beginning & ending, and we'll figure out the other concerns as we move on...I think we're having a more realistic conversation. But because the conversation has ebbed and flowed from the #1 concern being health or player movement or being able to express yourself in regards to social justice..it's been so many moving conversations that the real gist of what this is about has been muddled."

[soxperry]

You're right. I absolutely believe (as I have for awhile) there's been a disconnect between the NBAPA & a larger percentage of unwilling players then was originally reported/acknowledged by the media. It was never as close to unanimous, as we're learning now.

This is brand new and extremely interesting information.

[MickeyDavis]

The reps all voted for it but who thought that all of the players agreed unanimously? No one.

[HurricaneKid]

The reps all voted for it but who thought that all of the players agreed unanimously? No one.

Exactly. Player reps vote for the team. If 3 to 7 people on every team didn't want to resume play that means the majority of every team wanted to resume play and the player reps would be 100% in the right to vote unanimously.

I think this is all overblown. There are plenty of people in the general public that are begrudgingly going back to work. I dont think ANYONE off ANY team with ANY shot at the title will be absent. There is just too much to lose in terms of both public perception AND letting down teammates.

Which isnt to say if PHO starts 0-2 and is massively out of contention that they will have a full contingent of players for the remaining 6 games...

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[midranger]

What is he talking about...not about basketball or safety? The NBA put out a 100+ page PDF detailing health and safety protocols, which leading health experts have said is about as good as it gets.

Pretty sure staying at home and not playing basketball vs hundreds of other dudes in the epicenter of the pandemic is safer.

Genius statement that completely ignores the context of my post.

I think you may be confused about the meaning of the word “context”? It’s okay.

[FlagsFlyForever]

If the NBA wasn't concerned about players' health, they would have 30 teams in the bubble. They found a balance between health and revenue. Winslow should appreciate that the NBA is allowing players to refuse to play in Orlando without punishment.

[midranger]

Adam Silver in April.

“We’re looking for the number of new infections to come down,” he said. “We’re looking for the availability of testing on a large scale. We’re looking at the path that we’re on for potentially a vaccine. We’re looking at anti-virals. On top of that, we’re playing close attention to what the CDC is telling us on a federal level and what these various state rules are that are in place.”

Orange County in June.

Orange County had 340 confirmed cases on Thursday, 211 on Wednesday, 138 on Tuesday and 178 on Monday.

The percentage of people testing positive in relation to testing has also increased in the county, hitting 15.1% on Thursday compared to 2.1% on June 5. It was the third consecutive day of tests hitting double-digits for positives. Orange County had been stable throughout the pandemic until the past week, per the state health department data.

Orange County mayor Jerry Demings has signed an executive order that makes it mandatory for people in the county to wear facial coverings starting Saturday.

What the hell is Justice Winslow talking about?????

[paulpressey25]

Have some friends involved in logistics for NBA teams. It's on. They're all working on getting set up in Orlando with full speed ahead.

It would take a fairly severe outbreak in Orlando that jeopardizes hospital capacity to slow the train down I think. That said, will be interesting to see how many players have or have already had Covid-19. Saw those shots of LeBron's scrimmages. He's ready to go.

[StickeeFingaz]

Pretty sure staying at home and not playing basketball vs hundreds of other dudes in the epicenter of the pandemic is safer.

Genius statement that completely ignores the context of my post.

I think you may be confused about the meaning of the word “context”? It’s okay.

Context: the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.

Winslow stated that "This **** ain't even bout basketball or our safety anymore. All about the benjamins baby. Not sure if they really care if we get corona"

My comment addressed the NBA's recently released health and safety protocol as it specifically relates to the resumption of the NBA season. This shows the NBA does care about the safety of the players.

Players don't have to play if they don't want to! And the NBA (a business) cares about money? What a wild concept.

Your comment has nothing to do the with NBA's health and safety protocols for the planned restart; it was really only a "no ****, Sherlock" comment.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Pro sports are all about the money, it's literally their entire purpose for existing. The majority of people involved want to try to play and keep making money. Those who don't want to participate can not participate and that's fine. Seems as simple as that to me.

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[midranger]

Yes. The nba released a 100 page document attempting to make playing hundreds of basketball games safer while, still being well less safe than staying at home. Which is Exactly what Justice Winslow was saying, “I.e if the nba actually cared, they’d tell us to stay home.”

Apparently it was obvious to you when I said it but you got whooshed when justice Winslow said it. Why that is I’m not sure. Maybe context of who was saying it?

[humanrefutation]

I admire some of this boards optimism that the season will restart and there will be a playoff but I just don’t see it happening.

I'm starting to find it less likely by the day.

But the public consciousness for so much of the country is seemingly moving on from COVID-19. There will need to be some shocks to the system to stop that momentum and shift public consciousness back in favor of stay-at-home orders. I'm talking huge spikes. Overwhelmed hospitals. Big jumps in deaths.

The only ways you'll see restrictive measures reimplemented is if any of the following occurs, IMO:

- Government action to lock people back down, which will require major stones from elected officials in election years (and will need major public support).
- Private entities - like the NBA - take leadership to say that they have to lock down for the safety of the players and the public. But those entities have huge vested interests in staying open - especially financially.

Focusing on the NBA for a second, I actually do believe it is possible to do this right. You may have a bunch of people test positive for coronavirus when they show up. But then you're locking them down, treating them, and by the time the playoffs start, they could be back healthy. They're not spreading the virus back home because they're in a bubble. They're getting quality care in that bubble. And if you minimize exposure, you're not shutting down the sport by risking many more infections.

But you've got to be almost perfect at it to prevent a major problem from spreading and becoming untenable. And that's why I understand players who are skeptical of the notion of a safe return.

[jschligs]

Yes. The nba released a 100 page document attempting to make playing hundreds of basketball games safer while, still being well less safe than staying at home. Which is Exactly what Justice Winslow was saying, “I.e if the nba actually cared, they’d tell us to stay home.”

Apparently it was obvious to you when I said it but you got whooshed when justice Winslow said it. Why that is I’m not sure. Maybe context of who was saying it?

I think the NBA does care to a degree. But it is a business plain and simple, they are in it for money. If you don't want to play, stay home and you won't be punished. Sure, you might get backlash from some teammates/fans/etc. But screw that, if you want to stay safe at home nobody can truly blame you. I am choosing to spend most of my time at home, not with friends. But I have to go to work.

If I could stay home I would, but that's not how it works for me. The NBA players can choose to stay home if they want. People acting like the NBA is forcing these players to do something outrageous is crazy to me. They are giving them the option of going or not, and if they go, have created what seems to be a pretty comprehensive plan. Which is better than my 300 person company that is only putting signs to wash hands and removed all the chairs in the lunch areas.

[midranger]

Yes. The nba released a 100 page document attempting to make playing hundreds of basketball games safer while, still being well less safe than staying at home. Which is Exactly what Justice Winslow was saying, “I.e if the nba actually cared, they’d tell us to stay home.”

Apparently it was obvious to you when I said it but you got whooshed when justice Winslow said it. Why that is I’m not sure. Maybe context of who was saying it?

I think the NBA does care to a degree. But it is a business plain and simple, they are in it for money. If you don't want to play, stay home and you won't be punished. Sure, you might get backlash from some teammates/fans/etc. But screw that, if you want to stay safe at home nobody can truly blame you. I am choosing to spend most of my time at home, not with friends. But I have to go to work.

If I could stay home I would, but that's not how it works for me. The NBA players can choose to stay home if they want. People acting like the NBA is forcing these players to do something outrageous is crazy to me. They are giving them the option of going or not, and if they go, have created what seems to be a pretty comprehensive plan. Which is better than my 300 person company that is only putting signs to wash hands and removed all the chairs in the lunch areas.

I get it. I think we all agree with what Winslow said. Safety is a consideration but not nearly the number 1 priority. Getting paper is. I was just surprised it was a controversial comment in some way. I'm okay with willing adults engaging in somewhat risky behaviors for monetary gain. It's all good.

I just find it interesting to watch the machinations people will go through to convince themselves playing basketball for months in the epicenter of a pandemic is "safe" or that dribbling a basketball advances social justice imperatives. Adam Silver seems to be a prime example. Let's just admit we all very selfishly want basketball back and move on. It's okay.

[emunney]

Have some friends involved in logistics for NBA teams. It's on. They're all working on getting set up in Orlando with full speed ahead.

It would take a fairly severe outbreak in Orlando that jeopardizes hospital capacity to slow the train down I think. That said, will be interesting to see how many players have or have already had Covid-19. Saw those shots of LeBron's scrimmages. He's ready to go.

I think a severe outbreak in Orlando is on the table if not the plate.

[Licensed to Il]

I don’t think its possible for 200 athletes to stay in the bubble, most are focussed professionals but there will be some Rodman types that sneak out to go grind on strangers in clubs. I think it makes sense to try the whole thing out, but these are guys who have been enabled to do whatever they want, since they started flashing great potential in middle school. I doubt they will suddenly start reading classic literature and going to bed at 9.