2022 NBA Draft - Prospects Discussion

[machu46]

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Woj vs. Vegas, FIGHT!

To be fair, Woj isn't saying Jabari is going #1 there. Just saying that he's going to Orlando. There's been some buzz that Houston could trade up to #1 to secure Paolo.

[ReasonablySober]

Yea now my prediction is definitely happening.

[buckboy]

Isn't NBAdraft.net the site that has nailed a bunch of our picks in the past?

Well this morning they updated their mock to having us taking Jaylin Williams from Arkansas.

Over Dalen Terry and EJ Liddell no less. This place would burn to the ground.

[JayMKE]

Kessler is unswitchable, the exact opposite of what the league is moving toward. How are you ever going to play a switching defense with him on the floor? You're hamstringing your defensive options with a guy like Kessler on the floor.

I haven't seen any indication from Budenholzer that he's going to change his defense and rim protection is always going to be valuable, Brook's absence really hurt our defense all year so I think the role we would want him to play is very defined. Kessler imo has pretty high floor and defined role in the NBA, can do way worse than that at 24. It really upsets me that guys like Lopez are being legislated out of the game, that guy is amazingly gifted player and the NBA gives him a big middle finger but that's a tangent. Reality is we got to find guys who can contribute in specific ways, the upside picks where we're at are very unlikely to turn out and usually guys who make it later on are ones who were overlooked for some reason instead, why were Nikola Jokic and Malcolm Brogdon taken in the 2nd round?

Drafting another Brook would be fine, we don't want to draft another DJ Wilson or Rashaun Vaughn.

There's a lot of things I don't like about the current NBA. The increasing reliance on the three pointer, the demise of the post up game and several other things. But in the current iteration of the NBA, Kessler is a dinosaur.

It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I think a big reason the Bucks don't play more of a switching man defense is that they don't have the personnel to do it. Passive defenses like the drop don't cut it when the game is on the line and you need to get stops. I'd much rather get a switchable wing defender with some offensive upside and I think (and hope) that's what they're going to do.

The problem is mostly Bud's reluctance to adjust than guys like Lopez or Kessler being dinosaurs, you have to put players in a position to succeed and Bud has a bad habit of leaving players out to dry whille getting cooked by the other team for some reason. It happens to Brook, it happened to George Hill/ Grayson Allen. I'm not saying we shouldn't get a switchable defender but Bud has to be cognizant of match ups more than anything, what averages out over 82 games doesn't matter in the 4th quarter of a critical playoff game obviously. Most "switchable" guys are just tweeners of yesteryear too, its a bit of a trend for sure.

[Brewhoopfan]

Isn't NBAdraft.net the site that has nailed a bunch of our picks in the past?

Well this morning they updated their mock to having us taking Jaylin Williams from Arkansas.

Williams has a nice feel for the game. If he has the work ethic, the team who has him after his rookie deal will be very happy. Bucks don't have time for that.

[buckbeer]

With the 24th pick, hope the Bucks can get either Nikola Jovic or Walker Kessler.

[Ron Swanson]

I'll throw another name out there: Justin Lewis. Him and Jaylin Williams would be pretty big reaches at #24, but I actually wouldn't really hate either guy? Definitely hope we would trade back in either scenario, but I could see both coming in and playing a role immediately next to Giannis. Maybe it's just the Marquette thing, but Lewis does give me some PF/C version of Jae Crowder vibes.

[MikeIsGood]

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Woj vs. Vegas, FIGHT!

To be fair, Woj isn't saying Jabari is going #1 there. Just saying that he's going to Orlando. There's been some buzz that Houston could trade up to #1 to secure Paolo.

This is very #TechnicallyTheTruth.

[machu46]

Kessler is unswitchable, the exact opposite of what the league is moving toward. How are you ever going to play a switching defense with him on the floor? You're hamstringing your defensive options with a guy like Kessler on the floor.

I haven't seen any indication from Budenholzer that he's going to change his defense and rim protection is always going to be valuable, Brook's absence really hurt our defense all year so I think the role we would want him to play is very defined. Kessler imo has pretty high floor and defined role in the NBA, can do way worse than that at 24. It really upsets me that guys like Lopez are being legislated out of the game, that guy is amazingly gifted player and the NBA gives him a big middle finger but that's a tangent. Reality is we got to find guys who can contribute in specific ways, the upside picks where we're at are very unlikely to turn out and usually guys who make it later on are ones who were overlooked for some reason instead, why were Nikola Jokic and Malcolm Brogdon taken in the 2nd round?

Drafting another Brook would be fine, we don't want to draft another DJ Wilson or Rashaun Vaughn.

There's a lot of things I don't like about the current NBA. The increasing reliance on the three pointer, the demise of the post up game and several other things. But in the current iteration of the NBA, Kessler is a dinosaur.

It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I think a big reason the Bucks don't play more of a switching man defense is that they don't have the personnel to do it. Passive defenses like the drop don't cut it when the game is on the line and you need to get stops. I'd much rather get a switchable wing defender with some offensive upside and I think (and hope) that's what they're going to do.

I think this falls apart a bit when you ask yourself why we don't have the personnel to do it. Certainly we could have swapped out Brook and or Portis for a more switchable big if we wanted to the past couple years. We haven't done it because (1) we know Giannis doesn't want to play C and (2) Bud believes the drop allows us to cover the most important spaces better.

Maybe there's a chance that he's had a change of heart after losing to the Celtics, or maybe we'll just try to find someone that is switchable while still being the C next to Giannis. I don't think it's super likely but I also wouldn't be surprised.

[M-C-G]

I just watched a Braun scouting report. How do any of you guys think that we wouldn't draft him if he was there at 24? He is like all the best parts of Donte and Pat with tons of upside to boot. I bet Bud is pounding the table for him and seems like a guy that has enough strengths to get some playing time right away.

I'm still picking Kendall Brown personally, but I have to think if Braun is there he is the pick. Seems like a great mix of talent, size, athleticism, defense and some shooting too.

[machu46]

I'll throw another name out there: Justin Lewis. Him and Jaylin Williams would be pretty big reaches at #24, but I actually wouldn't really hate either guy? Definitely hope we would trade back in either scenario, but I could see both coming in and playing a role immediately next to Giannis. Maybe it's just the Marquette thing, but Lewis does give me some PF/C version of Jae Crowder vibes.

I'm fine with Lewis if we trade down into the 30s or preferably 40s, but I doubt he'll be near the top of my list personally. His finishing around the rim for a guy his size is absolutely pathetic and I'm just not really convinced he's enough of an athlete to believe in the potential upside there.

And I would absolutely hate Williams; I'd be mad if we traded down and managed to get him at #60.

[CharityStripe34]

I'm going to be real bummed when we trade our pick and don't make a pick tonight. I just feel it coming.

Wouldn't mind a trade if it netted a valuable, solid (younger) rotational piece that won't pee his pants in the playoffs.

But if it's for "roster flexibility"....

[CharityStripe34]

I haven't seen any indication from Budenholzer that he's going to change his defense and rim protection is always going to be valuable, Brook's absence really hurt our defense all year so I think the role we would want him to play is very defined. Kessler imo has pretty high floor and defined role in the NBA, can do way worse than that at 24. It really upsets me that guys like Lopez are being legislated out of the game, that guy is amazingly gifted player and the NBA gives him a big middle finger but that's a tangent. Reality is we got to find guys who can contribute in specific ways, the upside picks where we're at are very unlikely to turn out and usually guys who make it later on are ones who were overlooked for some reason instead, why were Nikola Jokic and Malcolm Brogdon taken in the 2nd round?

Drafting another Brook would be fine, we don't want to draft another DJ Wilson or Rashaun Vaughn.

There's a lot of things I don't like about the current NBA. The increasing reliance on the three pointer, the demise of the post up game and several other things. But in the current iteration of the NBA, Kessler is a dinosaur.

It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I think a big reason the Bucks don't play more of a switching man defense is that they don't have the personnel to do it. Passive defenses like the drop don't cut it when the game is on the line and you need to get stops. I'd much rather get a switchable wing defender with some offensive upside and I think (and hope) that's what they're going to do.

I think this falls apart a bit when you ask yourself why we don't have the personnel to do it. Certainly we could have swapped out Brook and or Portis for a more switchable big if we wanted to the past couple years. We haven't done it because (1) we know Giannis doesn't want to play C and (2) Bud believes the drop allows us to cover the most important spaces better.

Maybe there's a chance that he's had a change of heart after losing to the Celtics, or maybe we'll just try to find someone that is switchable while still being the C next to Giannis. I don't think it's super likely but I also wouldn't be surprised.

Doesn't even have to be an either/or. Literally a bigger, longer F that can guard 2-4 and have some offensive skill would do wonders for this team's crunch-time lineups. The Bucks look like a juggernaut when they have a switchable F and with Gianni at C.

The drop is fine for the regular season where a big C can soak up all of the boxing out/physicality that'll save Gianni, and do fine against the crap teams.

[MVP2110]

If the Bucks move back into the early 2nd round I think Jaylin Williams makes alot more sense than at 24. I wouldn't hate it at 24 but I also wouldn't exactly be excited

[El Pooch Grande]

Honestly what is everyone expecting tonight? Are we gonna pick a player or trade for a veteran?

[emunney]

Isn't NBAdraft.net the site that has nailed a bunch of our picks in the past?

Well this morning they updated their mock to having us taking Jaylin Williams from Arkansas.

Over Dalen Terry and EJ Liddell no less. This place would burn to the ground.

Wouldn't be my preferred pick at 24 but I love him. IIRC nbadraft.net has always had him around there.

[JayMKE]

ya im not feeling jaylin williams, stay away

[machu46]

Honestly what is everyone expecting tonight? Are we gonna pick a player or trade for a veteran?

I think we will make a pick, hopefully at 24 but we'll see.

[Ron Swanson]

All this obsession with "going small" and "switching everything" continues to ignore the things that you sacrifice if you don't have the perfect personnel equipped to do it (rim protection, rebounding). Would've thought we learned that after the disastrous Semi Ojeleye experiment where the front office just assumed they could replace PJ with any 6'6 guy with a pulse who's also built like a fire hydrant.

That's not even a defense for drafting Kessler (I wouldn't), but using that same rationale to dismiss any non-floor spacing 5 next to Giannis is exactly how you draft a bust or mediocre end-of-bench guy because he fits "a role" and are blindly focused on a specific player archetype. That's why I wouldn't hesitate to move up and draft a dude like Mark Williams if the opportunity presents itself. Brook regressing to a 31-32% 3PT shooter since his first season under Bud hasn't had a detrimental effect on spacing and the overall offense at all.

[CharityStripe34]

All this obsession with "going small" and "switching everything" continues to ignore the things that you sacrifice if you don't have the perfect personnel equipped to do it (rim protection, rebounding). Would've thought we learned that after the disastrous Semi Ojeleye experiment where the front office just assumed they could replace PJ with any 6'6 guy with a pulse who's also built like a fire hydrant.

That's not even a defense for drafting Kessler (I wouldn't), but using that same rationale to dismiss any non-floor spacing 5 next to Giannis is exactly how you draft a bust or mediocre end-of-bench guy because he fits "a role" and are blindly focused on a specific player archetype. That's why I wouldn't hesitate to move up and draft a dude like Mark Williams if the opportunity presents itself. Brook regressing to a 31-32% 3PT shooter since his first season under Bud hasn't had a detrimental effect on spacing and the overall offense at all.

Partially why I felt trading for Mo Bamba would be just fine as a Brook replacement who's a decade younger, WAY more athletic and shoots the three at 37% last I checked. And that you can both protect the rim and have switchable, athletic wings. Versatility is great.