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Head Coaching Candidates - Finalists Nurse/Atkinson/Griffin - Another New Poll Added

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Nurse
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Atkinson
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Griffin
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Total votes: 150

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Re: Head Coaching Candidates 

Post#961 » by BroncoBuck » Mon May 15, 2023 3:27 pm

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aboveAverage wrote:Monty is one of the worst candidates we could hire. He runs a very stale, rigid system that also got exposed numerous times in the playoffs the last three seasons. Even Bud outcoached him. It would be ridiculous to fire Bud and hire literally the only coach that Bud could outsmart on the way to a title.


So is this why a lot of people think Monty is an incompetent buffoon? Because a good coach bested him in the Finals? Some of you guys must think every coach outside of the Top 2-3 guys in the league is a complete moron.


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Post#962 » by Milbucks96 » Mon May 15, 2023 3:27 pm

It just can’t be Monty Williams. I don’t even have anything to say other than that. It just can’t be him.
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Post#963 » by Turk Nowitzki » Mon May 15, 2023 3:29 pm

I would love to get people's thoughts on who they would want to hire assuming everyone's favorite two guys are not viable options.

1) Nick Nurse - maybe we don't want him, maybe he doesn't want us, maybe both, but there's been no mention of him so let's hypothetically take him off the table

2) Ty Lue - still under contract with the Clippers, other teams sniffing around, but not much to suggest the Clippers are looking to move on as of now

Again, you can't have either of them. Who do you hire as coach?
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Post#964 » by MVP2110 » Mon May 15, 2023 3:30 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:Yeah, I would love to get people's thoughts on who they would want to hire assuming everyone's favorite two guys are not viable options.

1) Nick Nurse - maybe we don't want him, maybe he doesn't want us, maybe both, but there's been no mention of him so let's hypothetically take him off the table

2) Ty Lue - still under contract with the Clippers, other teams sniffing around, but not much to suggest the Clippers are looking to move on as of now

Assuming you can't have either of them, who do you hire as coach?


If you can't get Nurse & Lue, I'd love to hire Bud
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Post#965 » by Ron Swanson » Mon May 15, 2023 3:33 pm

FWIW Monty would fall directly into the "meh" and "predictable and unexciting" category for me, but I'm baffled by the amount of people that are so confident in their opinions of him as a legitimately terrible or even bad head coach. There's people here reacting the same way to the Monty rumors that the board did (correctly) to the Marc Jackson interview tweet, and that's **** insane to me.
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Post#966 » by midranger » Mon May 15, 2023 3:33 pm

I’d say that Bud got fired more for overseeing a historically bad defeat, rather than having not achieved a historically good accomplishment.
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Re: Head Coaching Candidates 

Post#967 » by MickeyDavis » Mon May 15, 2023 3:34 pm

I don't know if Bud "out coached" Monty by having Giannis go 17-19 from the line in game 6. Or that "bad coaching" caused Giannis to go 10-23 from the line in an elimination game 2 point loss.

But the optics are just bad. How do you fire a championship winning coach for falling short the last 2 years and replace him with a non championship coach who got SMOKED at home the last two years in elimination games.
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Post#968 » by MVP2110 » Mon May 15, 2023 3:35 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:FWIW Monty would fall directly into the "meh" and "predictable and unexciting" category for me, but I'm baffled by the amount of people that are so confident in their opinions of him as a legitimately terrible or even bad head coach. There's people here reacting the same way to the Monty rumors that they did to the Marc Jackson interview tweet, and that's **** insane to me.


I do mostly agree with this, Monty is a fine to maybe even above average head coach. But I also think he's a clear downgrade from Bud
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Re: Head Coaching Candidates 

Post#969 » by MickeyDavis » Mon May 15, 2023 3:36 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:Yeah, I would love to get people's thoughts on who they would want to hire assuming everyone's favorite two guys are not viable options.

1) Nick Nurse - maybe we don't want him, maybe he doesn't want us, maybe both, but there's been no mention of him so let's hypothetically take him off the table

2) Ty Lue - still under contract with the Clippers, other teams sniffing around, but not much to suggest the Clippers are looking to move on as of now

Again, you can't have either of them. Who do you hire as coach?

Exactly. That's a tough one for me.
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Post#970 » by Prez » Mon May 15, 2023 3:37 pm

I don’t think Monty is a *terrible* coach, it just makes zero sense whatsoever to fire your coach on the basis of his playoff shortcomings (a decision I agree with), only to replace him with the now former coach of a team that we figured out in the finals and has gotten wiped off the court in hilarious fashion in back to back postseasons.
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Post#971 » by midranger » Mon May 15, 2023 3:37 pm

Jrue probably has some opinions on Monty. Not sure how much they’ll matter or if Jrue is in our future plans at all, but I’m sure he’ll be at least asked.
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Post#972 » by Frank Nova » Mon May 15, 2023 3:37 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
aboveAverage wrote:Monty is one of the worst candidates we could hire. He runs a very stale, rigid system that also got exposed numerous times in the playoffs the last three seasons. Even Bud outcoached him. It would be ridiculous to fire Bud and hire literally the only coach that Bud could outsmart on the way to a title.


So is this why a lot of people think Monty is an incompetent buffoon? Because a good coach bested him in the Finals? Some of you guys must think every coach outside of the Top 2-3 guys in the league is a complete moron.


I’m no Bud stan by any means but he was 24-58 his last season in Atlanta before we hired him, had 1 season out of 5 he won 50+ games (60) was a 1 seed and then swept in the ECF. Atlanta Bud was essentially in the same mold as all these coaches we are interviewing now and we all LOVED him. Buds biggest redeeming qualities back then were 2 things: he wasn’t Jason Kidd and he coached under Pop.. Sometimes you just need time, a player like Giannis and great team chemistry to make things work.. hopefully whoever we hire gets a fair shot before they’re torn to shreds. I’m just personally REALLY hoping for Quinn, he’s my guy. Bring that Heat Culture to Milwaukee baby!
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Post#973 » by Prez » Mon May 15, 2023 3:38 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:I would love to get people's thoughts on who they would want to hire assuming everyone's favorite two guys are not viable options.

1) Nick Nurse - maybe we don't want him, maybe he doesn't want us, maybe both, but there's been no mention of him so let's hypothetically take him off the table

2) Ty Lue - still under contract with the Clippers, other teams sniffing around, but not much to suggest the Clippers are looking to move on as of now

Again, you can't have either of them. Who do you hire as coach?

I think Atkinson is a very good coach and wouldn’t be too disappointed if it was him.

If not him, I could be okay with taking a shot on a promising assistant like Quinn.
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Post#974 » by machu46 » Mon May 15, 2023 3:46 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:I would love to get people's thoughts on who they would want to hire assuming everyone's favorite two guys are not viable options.

1) Nick Nurse - maybe we don't want him, maybe he doesn't want us, maybe both, but there's been no mention of him so let's hypothetically take him off the table

2) Ty Lue - still under contract with the Clippers, other teams sniffing around, but not much to suggest the Clippers are looking to move on as of now

Again, you can't have either of them. Who do you hire as coach?


The three reported on thus far that I put in my "Intrigued, but not super excited" category were James Borrego, Chris Quinn, and Kenny Atkinson.

I mostly liked the system that Charlotte and Brooklyn played with under Borrego and Atkinson, though both teams were mediocre at best at the time. Still, neither was exactly loaded with talent, so I'm intrigued by the possibilities of them having more talent to work with. Quinn is simply a Spoelstra disciple and we know Spoelstra is a tremendous coach so I'm open to him as a possibility.

The other candidates that I'd be relatively okay with are Monty, Adrian Griffin, and Charles Lee. Can't really say much on Griffin/Lee aside from them being assistants under a couple of good coaches/good team cultures. Monty...he obviously had quite a lot of success with Phoenix. I can't say I like the system they played with, but it was pretty much exactly the type of system you'd want to run with the specific players he was working with so I'm not sure how much of that was his philosophies vs. adapting to his roster. If it's the latter, that's something I consider to be a good thing. If it's the former, no thank you.
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Re: Head Coaching Candidates 

Post#975 » by Milbucks96 » Mon May 15, 2023 3:55 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:I would love to get people's thoughts on who they would want to hire assuming everyone's favorite two guys are not viable options.

1) Nick Nurse - maybe we don't want him, maybe he doesn't want us, maybe both, but there's been no mention of him so let's hypothetically take him off the table

2) Ty Lue - still under contract with the Clippers, other teams sniffing around, but not much to suggest the Clippers are looking to move on as of now

Again, you can't have either of them. Who do you hire as coach?

Atkinson, or Chris Quinn. Won’t act like I know anything about Quinn but learning under spo gives me a tiny bit more confidence than hiring someone like Williams or Rivers.
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Post#976 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon May 15, 2023 3:56 pm

midranger wrote:I’d say that Bud got fired more for overseeing a historically bad defeat, rather than having not achieved a historically good accomplishment.


we should have asked him why we lost and let him have more input on personnel decisions. i would have promoted him
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Post#977 » by midranger » Mon May 15, 2023 3:57 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
midranger wrote:I’d say that Bud got fired more for overseeing a historically bad defeat, rather than having not achieved a historically good accomplishment.


we should have asked him why we lost and let him have more input on personnel decisions. i would have promoted him

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Post#978 » by mke_design » Mon May 15, 2023 3:58 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
aboveAverage wrote:Monty is one of the worst candidates we could hire. He runs a very stale, rigid system that also got exposed numerous times in the playoffs the last three seasons. Even Bud outcoached him. It would be ridiculous to fire Bud and hire literally the only coach that Bud could outsmart on the way to a title.


So is this why a lot of people think Monty is an incompetent buffoon? Because a good coach bested him in the Finals? Some of you guys must think every coach outside of the Top 2-3 guys in the league is a complete moron.


It doesn’t help when the NBA basically says this is true by firing top talent religiously
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Post#979 » by Ron Swanson » Mon May 15, 2023 4:07 pm

mke_design wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
aboveAverage wrote:Monty is one of the worst candidates we could hire. He runs a very stale, rigid system that also got exposed numerous times in the playoffs the last three seasons. Even Bud outcoached him. It would be ridiculous to fire Bud and hire literally the only coach that Bud could outsmart on the way to a title.


So is this why a lot of people think Monty is an incompetent buffoon? Because a good coach bested him in the Finals? Some of you guys must think every coach outside of the Top 2-3 guys in the league is a complete moron.


It doesn’t help when the NBA basically says this is true by firing top talent religiously


And this is why I just can't get too worked up about any of these rumored candidates outside of the truly terrible ones (Brooks, Jackson, Rivers, Kidd) that have a long track record of incompetence/underachievement. We all have our favorites but none of us really have a clue about how good 90% of these guys are or will be when coaching in the NBA is more roster-dependent than pretty much any other major pro sport. I think someone like Nurse is wildly overrated and wouldn't be my first choice either, but he's done a lot of good things when he's had a talented and deep roster to work with, so I wouldn't consider him a bad hire in the slightest.
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Re: Head Coaching Candidates - Quinn/Monty on the radar 

Post#980 » by aboveAverage » Mon May 15, 2023 4:12 pm

If we can’t get Nurse, give me the guy who’s worked with one of the best coaches in the league in Spoelstra.

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