Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[Black_Dragon]

Can someone tweet at some local media member to dig into this TPE story? Feels like a ton of conflicting reports

[ajb905]

I won't hold my breath but it would be nice if Milwaukee journalists hold Horst's feet to the fire about the luxury tax. For a team in championship contention, it is ridiculous that it would limit the team from getting better. billionaires!

It’s not Horsts call - ask Sam Presti

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Of course if the owners don't buy off on going into the luxury tax, he can't unilaterally do it. But journalists have much more access to him and specifically can follow up on what he said to Nehm a month ago. It seems the "education" didn't work.

https://clutchpoints.com/bucks-news-milwaukee-gm-jon-horst-not-worried-about-luxury-tax-says-owners-are-invested-in-core/

“For us, there are a few things going on here Marc and Wes and Jamie, from the day they bought this team and committed to bringing a championship to Milwaukee,” said Horst, according to Eric Nehm of The Athletic. “We, from that day, have committed to educating them on what that means and often it means they have to have a willingness to invest in the team and sometimes that means the luxury tax, And really the luxury tax is just the point in salary where you start paying a premium on the dollars that you spend.
“And there is no reason to believe this ownership group will not pay a premium on dollars spent if they’re investing in something that can win and is sustainable over a long period of time.”

I'm sure we'll get into GM speak about why they didn't match Malcolm. But would want him to answer, if he thinks the team is in a better position on the floor losing him. With the addition of the picks from Indiana what is the reason they would not keep the TPE in play?

But hey, if journalists can get answers from the billionaires on the luxury tax, that would be great too.

[Chuck Diesel]

The billionaire’s son publicly said that the Bucks would be willing to pay the luxury tax at a live podcast last December. Maybe his juices were up and he just wanted to play to the crowd?

[kid idioteque]

Brogdon is definitely the new Tobias Harris around here. Except the difference there was that we didn't get anything in return.

It's gonna be okay, y'all.

[Chuck Diesel]

Brogdon is definitely the new Tobias Harris around here. Except the difference there was that we didn't get anything in return.

It's gonna be okay, y'all.

They are similar in that they’re both Bucks mistakes, the difference is now the mistake has a much better chance to cost us a title.

[humanrefutation]

I know there's a vocal minority here that were fine with Brogdon walking - some with legitimate reasons, some with very stupid ones - but I'm not sure how anyone here can be happy with the idea of losing that TPE because of poor contract management by Horst and company. I refuse to believe this was the plan all along when some small, uncontroversial decisions could have enabled us to keep it.

Even if, for whatever reason, you don't plan to use the TPE anytime soon, what's to say that you won't need during the season? Perhaps if someone gets hurt and you want to bring in a replacement without sending salary out? Or maybe you want to add another quality piece in advance of the postseason?

There's a 100% chance there's going to be quality vets available sometime before the deadline from teams simply looking to dump salary. Now we've lost the means of acquiring those pieces.

[Bucksfan28]

but I'm not sure how anyone here can be happy with the idea of losing that TPE because of poor contract management by Horst and company.

I don't think anyone here is.

[ACGB]

I really thought they had a plan here by letting him go. Guess I won't make that assumption anymore.

[paulpressey25]

I know there's a vocal minority here that were fine with Brogdon walking

One clarification. He did not walk. Given the Bucks didn't want to pay him that contract, they did a great job getting those three Pacers picks. One of the better returns for an RFA I've seen in a sign and trade scenario.

But yes, the TPE thing is mess and they deserve flack for it.

[Frank Nova]

I know there's a vocal minority here that were fine with Brogdon walking

One clarification. He did not walk. Given the Bucks didn't want to pay him that contract, they did a great job getting those three Pacers picks. One of the better returns for an RFA I've seen in a sign and trade scenario.

But yes, the TPE thing is mess and they deserve flack for it.

You couldnt just tell Middleton you're getting 177.3 instead of 178 or tell George Hill you're getting 28.3 instead of 29 if this was really all over 700k in salary we couldnt clear? Thats a **** joke if true.

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[LuessiT]

I know there's a vocal minority here that were fine with Brogdon walking

One clarification. He did not walk. Given the Bucks didn't want to pay him that contract, they did a great job getting those three Pacers picks. One of the better returns for an RFA I've seen in a sign and trade scenario.

But yes, the TPE thing is mess and they deserve flack for it.

You couldnt just tell Middleton you're getting 177.3 instead of 178 or tell George Hill you're getting 28.3 instead of 29 if this was really all over 700k in salary we couldnt clear? Thats a **** joke if true.

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This is not true. All those guys got max raises so for Hill it would be over 2.1m less and for Middleton over 3.5m. But yeah, could have fully guaranteed Hill's contract and give him like 3/27m.

Edit: Also Middleton taking less doesn't help a bit.

[Matches Malone]

Can someone tweet at some local media member to dig into this TPE story? Feels like a ton of conflicting reports

They are too busy smelling their own farts.

[RogerMurdock]

I can't wait for this drama to be done so this thread can stop being bumped and my anguish can subside.

[paulpressey25]

I can't wait for this drama to be done so this thread can stop being bumped and my anguish can subside.

We're headed for a binary outcome on this one.

Either Malcolm is making the all-star team next year over Khris or he's missing 43 games with a bad foot.

Don't really see much middle ground.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

i've missed you guys

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I’m fine if avoiding the tax this year was strategic to slow the clock on the repeater tax. But it will be infuriating if we don’t pay the tax in the future. It’s bad enough having owners not willing to pay the max but it’s next level stupid if the GM knows there is a hard cap at the tax level and still signed Middleton to 35m a year.

[buckboy]

I know there's a vocal minority here that were fine with Brogdon walking - some with legitimate reasons, some with very stupid ones - but I'm not sure how anyone here can be happy with the idea of losing that TPE because of poor contract management by Horst and company. I refuse to believe this was the plan all along when some small, uncontroversial decisions could have enabled us to keep it.

Even if, for whatever reason, you don't plan to use the TPE anytime soon, what's to say that you won't need during the season? Perhaps if someone gets hurt and you want to bring in a replacement without sending salary out? Or maybe you want to add another quality piece in advance of the postseason?

There's a 100% chance there's going to be quality vets available sometime before the deadline from teams simply looking to dump salary. Now we've lost the means of acquiring those pieces.

Yep. I was totally fine with this deal because I knew there was a TPE coming. Now, I'm still OK with it, but much less enthusiastic. I like Malcolm, but no way I want to give a guy with his health history $85,000,000.

[DingleJerry]

One clarification. He did not walk. Given the Bucks didn't want to pay him that contract, they did a great job getting those three Pacers picks. One of the better returns for an RFA I've seen in a sign and trade scenario.

But yes, the TPE thing is mess and they deserve flack for it.

You couldnt just tell Middleton you're getting 177.3 instead of 178 or tell George Hill you're getting 28.3 instead of 29 if this was really all over 700k in salary we couldnt clear? Thats a **** joke if true.

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This is not true. All those guys got max raises so for Hill it would be over 2.1m less and for Middleton over 3.5m. But yeah, could have fully guaranteed Hill's contract and give him like 3/27m.

Edit: Also Middleton taking less doesn't help a bit.

right, I believe the taking less would've had to come from Brook/Hill since they were the ones using the actual space. Something should've been able to be done

[djsunyc]

Brogdon is definitely the new Tobias Harris around here. Except the difference there was that we didn't get anything in return.

It's gonna be okay, y'all.

with kawhi leaving - there is a golden opportunity to get to the finals. losing brogdon hurts that chance. bucks just had to pay luxury for a year then they could've traded someone. if there was a time to bring the gang back together, this was the time. now if you want to add a player, it's going to be tough and it won't be someone of the caliber of brogdon.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

Brogdon is definitely the new Tobias Harris around here. Except the difference there was that we didn't get anything in return.

It's gonna be okay, y'all.

with kawhi leaving - there is a golden opportunity to get to the finals. losing brogdon hurts that chance. bucks just had to pay luxury for a year then they could've traded someone. if there was a time to bring the gang back together, this was the time. now if you want to add a player, it's going to be tough and it won't be someone of the caliber of brogdon.

If he didn't want to be here, getting assets for him was the best possible outcome.

it's really that simple.