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[jakecronus8]

Sterling is a net neutral at best and at this point MAYBE Donte as well. IMO, there’s more bad tape on him than good. Like so many, it’s dependent on him developing a jump shot. Given the Bucks lack of player development in that particular skill I’m not holding my breath.

You’d be hard pressed to find an organization that has been worse at drafting talent over the last 20 years or so. You could take any “draft guru”’s big board over our front office and have infinitely more success. Pathetic. Without lucking out on Giannis you’d have next to nothing

[tydett]

How do we value Lowry vs CP3?

Lowry is 34, Paul is 35.

Lowry has an ending deal and could walk for nothing after one season. Or he could be extended / resigned at a reasonable rate if he’s game to commit to Milwaukee.

Paul has an additional year locked in at a stupid high contract. But if he could play comparably to what he did this past season over the life of the deal it wouldn’t be so bad.

Lowry and Giannis know one another way better than Giannis and Paul.

If the Raptors are seriously interested in Giannis, and Masai still thinks Lowry can player, there's a zero percent chance he's trading him to MKE without extracting a blood price.

[drone3]

Sterling is a net neutral at best and at this point MAYBE Donte as well. IMO, there’s more bad tape on him than good. Like so many, it’s dependent on him developing a jump shot. Given the Bucks lack of player development in that particular skill I’m not holding my breath.

You’d be hard pressed to find an organization that has been worse at drafting talent over the last 20 years or so. You could take any “draft guru”’s big board over our front office and have infinitely more success. Pathetic. Without lucking out on Giannis you’d have next to nothing

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[Baddy Chuck]

You’d be hard pressed to find an organization that has been worse at drafting talent over the last 20 years or so. You could take any “draft guru”’s big board over our front office and have infinitely more success. Pathetic. Without lucking out on Giannis you’d have next to nothing

Speaking of draft gurus, where is little cleos board.

[LuessiT]

At 46? Yes, that's a solid pick.

Come on man, he drafted a guy we invested 3 years into who couldn't crack a rotation, played zero minutes in the playoffs and probably won't even be kept on a minimum contract next season. That's not a win. That's like giving Charlotte a tip of the cap for drafting Dwayne Bacon because he's played NBA minutes. Monta Morris was taken 5 picks later, that's nailing a pick. Dillion Brooks was taken 1 pick ahead, that's nailing a pick. Brown is less egregious than DJ, sure, but "nailed it"? Come on man.

Brown is still probably an above average player for where he's selected, but yeah I wouldn't call him a hit. But the hit rate in the 2nd half of the 2nd round is like 1 in 5 if we're generous.

That's what always makes me chuckle. There are about 20 NBA players in every draft and the chance of identifying one of these drops with each pick.
Remember how mad everyone was when the Bulls sold the 35th pick that ended up being Jordan Bell to Golden State? And look where he is now. The draft is an educated crapshoot. You can be good at it and miss multiple picks in a row and you can suck at it and nail consecutive picks.

[LuessiT]

Sterling is a net neutral at best and at this point MAYBE Donte as well. IMO, there’s more bad tape on him than good. Like so many, it’s dependent on him developing a jump shot. Given the Bucks lack of player development in that particular skill I’m not holding my breath.

You’d be hard pressed to find an organization that has been worse at drafting talent over the last 20 years or so. You could take any “draft guru”’s big board over our front office and have infinitely more success. Pathetic. Without lucking out on Giannis you’d have next to nothing

Donte is an above replacement player in year 2 and that is more than expected of the average #17 pick. Also if you put Donte on the market now you get better offers than the #17 pick. By all accounts, Donte is a successful pick right now. The distinction right now is important cause the picture might be completely different in half a year.

[SupremeHustle]

It's hard to judge whether the Bucks can draft or not because Horst has only made three draft picks and the highest he's ever picked was #17. Still, he's nailed his picks twice out of the three times he's drafted.

This post has me conflicted. On one hand, it's great to see that generosity isn't completely dead because giving Horst that kind of kudos is definitely generous. On the other hand, you must be cray cray.

[crkone]

You’d be hard pressed to find an organization that has been worse at drafting talent over the last 20 years or so. You could take any “draft guru”’s big board over our front office and have infinitely more success. Pathetic. Without lucking out on Giannis you’d have next to nothing

Speaking of draft gurus, where is little cleos board.

Way too early for his/her board.

[emunney]

Wonder if Philly's ready to give up on Zhaire Smith.

[tski1972]

Wonder if Philly's ready to give up on Zhaire Smith.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but is Smith kind of in the mold of Desmond Mason?

[jakecronus8]

Wonder if Philly's ready to give up on Zhaire Smith.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but is Smith kind of in the mold of Desmond Mason?

Point guard size but plays a hustle small forward type game.

[theFireBlanket]

Sterling is a net neutral at best and at this point MAYBE Donte as well.

Don't drag Donte down because they draft terribly for the most part. It's just a bit ridiculous to suggest that he's below Sterling or a net neutral. He's definitely been a net positive.

[coolhandluke121]

Sterling is a net neutral at best and at this point MAYBE Donte as well.

Don't drag Donte down because they draft terribly for the most part. It's just a bit ridiculous to suggest that he's below Sterling or a net neutral. He's definitely been a net positive.

Are you suggesting the guy with the 3rd best net rating in the entire NBA (rotation regulars only) and 8th-best RPM among SG's might not be a bad player? Fake news!

[Brewhoopfan]

It's hard to dismiss how poorly Donte played in the bubble. It wasn't just his shooting. His impact in all phases was diminished. I don't know how much of that is poor individual play or the whole team struggling.

I think Marcus Smart is a good comp for Donte. Both are good defensive guards capable of making a lot of winning plays away from the ball. Smart has developed into a capable 3 pt and FT shooter. That's the next step Donte needs to take. I still think Donte can be a much better version of Smart (minus being a douchebag).

[raferfenix]

How do we value Lowry vs CP3?

Lowry is 34, Paul is 35.

Lowry has an ending deal and could walk for nothing after one season. Or he could be extended / resigned at a reasonable rate if he’s game to commit to Milwaukee.

Paul has an additional year locked in at a stupid high contract. But if he could play comparably to what he did this past season over the life of the deal it wouldn’t be so bad.

Lowry and Giannis know one another way better than Giannis and Paul.

I'm just saying, everyone should stop assuming we're in the drivers seat with pole position for CP3, we're not.

Do we think Lowry would take more or less assets vs Paul to acquire?

Whether Giannis has a preference likely matters here too.

I'm not sure how the cap mechanics would work but if the Bucks would be confidant we would be extending Lowry shortly after acquiring him it would be different than if he might be a rental as well.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It is hard to gauge DDVs value. Like if Phoenix offered 10 and Okobo for DDV and 24 is that in the right ballpark? I mention it because I think phoenix is looking for a combo guard type and are willing to trade that pick.

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[Chuck Diesel]

Admittedly a sucker for Partizan guys, but I really like Rashawn Thomas.

[EastSideBucksFan]

How do we value Lowry vs CP3?

Lowry is 34, Paul is 35.

Lowry has an ending deal and could walk for nothing after one season. Or he could be extended / resigned at a reasonable rate if he’s game to commit to Milwaukee.

Paul has an additional year locked in at a stupid high contract. But if he could play comparably to what he did this past season over the life of the deal it wouldn’t be so bad.

Lowry and Giannis know one another way better than Giannis and Paul.

I'm just saying, everyone should stop assuming we're in the drivers seat with pole position for CP3, we're not.

Do we think Lowry would take more or less assets vs Paul to acquire?

Whether Giannis has a preference likely matters here too.

I'm not sure how the cap mechanics would work but if the Bucks would be confidant we would be extending Lowry shortly after acquiring him it would be different than if he might be a rental as well.

It *should* require less assets to get Lowry, but he's also on a much friendlier deal $30M expiring

It all depends on how they view Lowry and their plans moving forward.

They might just keep him as the face of the franchise if that's what he wants

But, yeah, it would be a massive coup if the Bucks could get Lowry. Can't make an offer without Bledsoe and they probably don't want him and his long term money especially after seeing up close him choke in the playoffs. So, probably need a 3 team which always gets more difficult and unlikely.

[ShootingtheJ]

It's hard to dismiss how poorly Donte played in the bubble. It wasn't just his shooting. His impact in all phases was diminished. I don't know how much of that is poor individual play or the whole team struggling.

I think Marcus Smart is a good comp for Donte. Both are good defensive guards capable of making a lot of winning plays away from the ball. Smart has developed into a capable 3 pt and FT shooter. That's the next step Donte needs to take. I still think Donte can be a much better version of Smart (minus being a douchebag).

Donte got off to a brutal start in the bubble, but was really good in game 4 and terrific in game 5 versus Miami. His True Shooting % for the series was 67, iirc. No need to be concerned about a weird situation we hope to never encounter again.

[paulpressey25]

You’d be hard pressed to find an organization that has been worse at drafting talent over the last 20 years or so. You could take any “draft guru”’s big board over our front office and have infinitely more success. Pathetic. Without lucking out on Giannis you’d have next to nothing

This comment reminds me of the 2008 Hammond draft dartboard I created. You could have literally thrown a dart at any of the first 26 picks of that draft and gotten a better player than Joe Alexander. It was a stunningly deep draft that year. We came away with nothing in round one.

Fun one to look at who all went where in 2008.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2008.html