Around the league: Trade Rumors and FA

Post #1 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:58 am

Figured this thread will get some traction as things are heating up.

There is a rumor being started now of Boston offering Rondo for Chris Paul but NO wanting more assets.

Also saw that Sacramento must increase their payroll by $18 million to meet the new league minimum. Would seem to me that they will toss a max deal at Nene or Marc Gasol to do it.

I'm still trying to sort out the new max deals, but it looks like for Nene it might be four-years and $75 million.

This is going to be a damn interesting next two-weeks.

jeremyd236 · Post #2 » by **jeremyd236** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:06 am

It'd be interesting to see Boston with Paul. I think they'd go all-in at Howard at that point even though both would be free agents next season.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #3 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:47 am

Great to get some actual rumors to sink our teeth into.

I'm assuming the Celtics will throw in Jeff Green if they can get NO to bite on Rondo for Paul. After reading a few of Shaq's stories on Rondo, not surprising they are still looking to move him. Once the big three are gone, Rondo will not look as great of a player.

Who else can offer Nene max money? I guess it all depends on how things shake up over the coming days. But with Demarcus Cousins, I don't see why the Kings would want to put an offer in on Nene. I'm sure the Knicks would love to make an offer if they can, but I have no idea if they will be able to.

Post #4 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:54 am

Agents and teams can start talking tomorrow at 8am CST.

brettski · Post #5 » by **brettski** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:03 am

Few questions based on what I've read so far in this thread.

1. What stories from Shaq about Rondo? I haven't heard any...
2. How can teams start talking to each other tomorrow when as far as I'm aware there still isn't a Trade Union to ratify a CBA?
3. Have the B-list issues all been sorted out such that there is a CBA that can be put on a table and voted on? I've read nothing about this.

In response to the comments thus far I would absolutely be willing to toss Green in with Rondo to get Chris Paul (if he's signed an extension).

You could then offer something like KG + picks for Dwight or try and pick up Dwight in the off season.

If Boston are really smart about how they use the pieces they have to rebuild they could potentially turn there team for next season into:

CP3 / Allen / Paul Pierce / KG / Howard?

Of course 12 months from now Allen and KG may be no more than role playing vets off the bench on vet min constracts...

Note this isn't exactly my idea I read something similar on the general board and gave it a little more thought. Point is though Boston do have enough talent to turn plays over and keep themselves relevant.

Post #6 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:04 am

I think the 4/5 year contract stuff and at least preventing sign and trades from being more than 4 years might help things.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/11/29/ ... #storyjump

In the old collective bargaining agreement, assuming a $58 million salary cap, without cajoling the Nuggets into a sign-and-trade, Nene would have been eligible for a max contract of five years, $100 million.

In the new NBA, with a $58 million salary cap and again assuming no sign-and-trade, Nene is eligible for a max contract of four years, $74 million.

It's an absurd contract for a non-All-Star, non-All-NBA player in both cases. But it's about $26 million less absurd now.

paul · Post #7 » by **paul** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:47 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Figured this thread will get some traction as things are heating up.

There is a rumor being started now of Boston offering Rondo for Chris Paul but NO wanting more assets.

Also saw that Sacramento must increase their payroll by $18 million to meet the new league minimum. Would seem to me that they will toss a max deal at Nene or Marc Gasol to do it.

I'm still trying to sort out the new max deals, but it looks like for Nene it might be four-years and $75 million.

This is going to be a damn interesting next two-weeks.

That would be an epic overpay for a good solid player in either case, even taking into consideration the reason for doing it. An unbelievable overpay.

Not sure what to think of the Rondo thing - actually still not really sure what to think of Rondo.

Those mentioning adding Jeff Green - is he RFA or UFA? Yeah he's a throw-in for mine, not a big fan.

emunney · Post #8 » by **emunney** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:51 am

Max for Gasol or Nene, huh? I think I'd rather split that up.

Kerb Hohl · Post #9 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:55 am

Totally random comment that I haven't put much thought into:

Could some of these rules destroy smaller market teams even more? The teams will have to be incredibly smart while stocking up young players by signing a guy for 1 or 2 years that sucks and will earn a lot of money just to get up to the minimum salary floor or they will start bleeding all of their draft picks (young players) that they have been building with the past 3 or 4 years when they come due and the teams don't want to go into the lux tax.

Meanwhile, I think teams like the Lakers will do it anyways.

paul · Post #10 » by **paul** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:56 am

emunney wrote:Max for Gasol or Nene, huh? I think I'd rather split that up.

About 4 ways. You should be able to get both of them for 4 years $75m, not one.

Post #11 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:58 am

paul wrote:
About 4 ways. You should be able to get both of them for 4 years $75m, not one.

It will be a total overpay. But since we didn't really fix the system, there are going to be teams that have to spend.

Sacramento is going to have to figure out how to blow $18 million. Just in annual payroll for this year. I'm not sure what you do with that other than massively overpay someone.

paul · Post #12 » by **paul** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:01 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
paul wrote:
About 4 ways. You should be able to get both of them for 4 years $75m, not one.

It will be a total overpay. But since we didn't really fix the system, there are going to be teams that have to spend.

Sacramento is going to have to figure out how to blow $18 million. Just in annual payroll for this year. I'm not sure what you do with that other than massively overpay someone.

I bet Beno's $7m they gave him would look nice about now

EastSideBucksFan · Post #13 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:06 am

Sounds like players and agents and teams are talking deals already. Maybe the NBA just said "go ahead and start talking" cause it was already happening.

This one from after last year with Ainge trying to reacquire Perkins and then get Westbrook for Rondo and Green is hilarious.

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Boston offered Rondo & Jeff Green to OKC for Westbrook & KPerkins after last season's playoffs. OKC was not interested, sources say.

ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
Would love to have heard Sam Presti's response when presented with Rondo/Green for Westbrook/Perkins.

RicBucher Ric Bucher
From what I've heard: Celtics might want to deal Rondo for CP3, but Hornets are not doing that deal. Have better offers if it comes to that.

RicBucher Ric Bucher
And for inquiring minds: If Clips are offering EGordon/DeAndre Jordan and another piece (Bledsoe/Aminu/Minn's 1st), that's a better deal.

RicBucher Ric Bucher
But I'm still coming to grips with a player of CP3 reportedly having Clippers on his wish list. Talk about burying the lede. #PowerofBlake

Post #14 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:07 am

paul wrote:I bet Beno's $7m they gave him would look nice about now

Remember though, they have Salmons $8 million.

Seriously, I don't know what that team does. They are talking Thad Young, but even if you offer him say 4/$32, you've still got $10 million left to blow. You could then blow a 3/$30 on Dalembert again to try and keep him.

Post #15 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:11 am

I'd like to see Paul end up at LAC for Gordon/Jordan and another asset.

Clips have been downtrodden. No problem with them getting a star.

And that is a better package than Rondo and Jeff Green.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #16 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:12 am

Ainge offering Rondo and Green for Westbrook and Perkins is hilarious. Both because he is admitting he made a mistake and because it is completely one sided.

paul · Post #17 » by **paul** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:16 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
paul wrote:I bet Beno's $7m they gave him would look nice about now

Remember though, they have Salmons $8 million.

Seriously, I don't know what that team does. They are talking Thad Young, but even if you offer him say 4/$32, you've still got $10 million left to blow. You could then blow a 3/$30 on Dalembert again to try and keep him.

Honestly I don't know where that team are, I can see them blowing up into a million pieces within about two years. Do you overpay a vet like Nene knowing he's 29 when you're two only hopes at salvation are immature kids under the age of 23?
Personally I think they'd be better off splitting it into Afflalo and Jordan who at least fit their age bracket and can help in other ways. Jordan might end up as good a Nene possibly, but either way he's not going to cost $18m a season. Man that would just be an amazing overpay.

There's better ways to spend that money imo.

paul · Post #18 » by **paul** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:17 am

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Ainge offering Rondo and Green for Westbrook and Perkins is hilarious. Both because he is admitting he made a mistake and because it is completely one sided.

That was a moronic trade, he should have known better. You don't trade your heart for wing flash.

emunney · Post #19 » by **emunney** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:18 am

They didn't want to pay him, but I thought his contract ended up being really reasonable.

Post #20 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:19 am

paul wrote:Jordan might end up as good a Nene

But what do you have to pay get to Jordan away from the Clippers who can match?

4/$40? This just seems so "Jerome James" at the moment. Obviously Jordan is very talented, but I'd like to see my big man prove himself over 2-3 seasons as a true say 14-10 guy before paying huge dollars.