Trades for the Bucks to blow it up

CanadaBucks · Post #406 » by **CanadaBucks** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:41 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Ersan Ilyasova, Tobias Harris and Deron Lamb to Dallas for Elton Brand, Roddy Beaubois and Jae Crowder.

Ick. I like Harris more than Crowder (who I do like, but as a bench defender) or Beaubois, and Brand is pretty much done. We should not be making these kind of trades.

Can Brand as an amnesty guy be dealt? I didn't think they could.

RandyBreuer · Post #407 » by **RandyBreuer** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:52 am

Bucks in Brooks/Taylor/Humphries
out Ilyasova/Gooden/Daniels

Nets in Howard/Gooden/Daniels/Jamison

Lakers in Lopez/Ilyasova

Sigra · Post #408 » by **Sigra** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:52 am

Nebula1 wrote:So it seems unlikely the Bucks blow it up this year

Yup. We have probably the 2nd best team in last 22 years. The best was big 3 team offcourse:

Milwaukee Bucks record after first 40 games:

2012-13 -------- 22-18
2011-12 -------- 16-24
2010-11 -------- 16-24
2009-10 -------- 17-23
2008-09 -------- 19-21
2007-08 -------- 16-24
2006-07 -------- 17-23
2005-06 -------- 21-19
2004-05 -------- 15-25
2003-04 -------- 22-18 (TJ Ford's rookie year, the last time we had all star member)
2002-03 -------- 19-21
2001-02 -------- 26-14
2000-01 -------- 25-15
1999-00 -------- 22-18
1998-99 -------- 22-18
1997-98 -------- 18-22
1996-97 -------- 19-21
1995-96 -------- 15-25
1994-95 -------- 16-24
1993-94 -------- 12-28
1992-93 -------- 17-23
1991-92 -------- 19-21

LUKE23 · Post #409 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:55 pm

The FTD roster was on 60 win pace for 30 games. They won 46 for the season, but that Jennings/Salmons/Bogut team was either 1st or 2nd best team in last 22 years. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they beat the big 3 team head to head.

This current team is not better than FTD.

mlloyd10 · Post #410 » by **mlloyd10** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:20 pm

Highly unlikley, but we get a low post scorer and keep Ilyasova

Hawks get: Howard and Ellis
Lakers get: Daly/Henson/Devin Harris/Jenkins
Bucks get: Horford/Korver

Jennings(36)/Udrih(12)
Korver(30)/Dunleavy(18)
Moute(36)/Dunleavy(12)
Ilyasova(30)/Horford(18)
Sanders(30)/Horford(18)

Or the one I posted on the trade board

Hawks get: Howard/Ellis
Bucks get: Korver/Jenkins
Lakers get: Horford/Devin Harris

CanadaBucks · Post #411 » by **CanadaBucks** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:46 pm

LUKE23 wrote:The FTD roster was on 60 win pace for 30 games. They won 46 for the season, but that Jennings/Salmons/Bogut team was either 1st or 2nd best team in last 22 years. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they beat the big 3 team head to head.

This current team is not better than FTD.

Short-term maybe not but going forward I would say it is.

LUKE23 · Post #412 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:46 pm

CanadaBucks wrote:
Short-term maybe not but going forward I would say it is.

Depends what type of wing they acquire.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #413 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:56 pm

I'd be ecstatic if the Bucks could pull off Monta for Corey Brewer & Jordan Hamilton.

Denver has a glut of size at the wing positions.

Not sure they'd really be interested in Monta though, they seem to have their chemistry figured out.

raysbookclub · Post #414 » by **raysbookclub** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:13 pm

I'll go:
1. Big Three 2001 (ECF)
2. Big Three 2000 (shouldve beat the Pacers in the playoffs, they lucked out)
3. FTD (pre-Bogut injury)
4a. Big Three 1999
4b. Current team.

Post #415 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:21 pm

The FTD and current team are such small samples.

Nebula1 · Post #416 » by **Nebula1** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:26 pm

I really doubt the Bucks trade Ellis. He's part of the reason the Bucks are winning despite his undesirable statistics.

raysbookclub · Post #417 » by **raysbookclub** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:29 pm

We could really use an athletic guard with size. Either instead of Monta or in addition to Monta. Jennings-Monta-Udrih plus someone like Afflalo is a great backcourt.

I don't think Monta gets traded this year; we're too competitive right now in a relatively weak East. If we do make a trade, it will be other guys.

And I think Monta opts out after the year, leaving us with Jennings, Lamb, and that's it. We'd pick up a FA guard and draft one too. But I think the chances are good we pick up another guard who will play, if we make any trades before the deadline.

Post #418 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:17 pm

Here's a trade to chew on.

Milwaukee Out:
Monta Ellis
Larry Sanders

Atlanta Out
Al Horford

I don't think either team has much of an incentive to make that move, but I'm wondering if you would. Like the "would you deal Sanders for a top draft pick" thread, I'm just curious.

LUKE23 · Post #419 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:17 pm

I wouldn't.

KG_Wolves · Post #420 » by **KG_Wolves** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:01 pm

How about going after Josh Smith??? And since ATL also just lost Lou Williams for the year they will be looking for a guard so Monta plus Illayasova for Josh Smith.

Roll with Jennings/JSmith/Sanders

DanoMac · Post #421 » by **DanoMac** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:03 pm

KG_Wolves wrote:How about going after Josh Smith??? And since ATL also just lost Lou Williams for the year they will be looking for a guard so Monta plus Illayasova for Josh Smith.

Roll with Jennings/JSmith/Sanders

Josh Smith wouldn't fit with this frontcourt. His perimeter game will always be so-so at best. I prefer Ersan much to Josh Smith.

Post #422 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:03 pm

If there's one player in the entire league that I'm positive wouldn't play in Milwaukee, it's Smith.

blazza18 · Post #423 » by **blazza18** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:09 pm

Eh Josh Smith.

tski1972 · Post #424 » by **tski1972** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:38 pm

this isn't a blow up trade but how about....

Ellis/T. Harris

for

Afflalo/D. Jones

there is some chatter on the Magic board that Orlando might be leaning towards keeping Redick and are shopping Afflalo. They also seem to think SF is a weak spot on their team.

A lot of people here would like to see Afflalo as a Buck. I threw Jones in to help match salaries, but it doesn't hurt to get a look at a young SG.

M-C-G · Post #425 » by **M-C-G** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:54 pm

I still prefer a deal centered around OKC.

Someone like Moute and/or removing Perkins salary becomes a bigger deal if they fail to win the championship this year.

And I actually wouldn't mind having Perkins as the overpaid Kurt Thomas on this team, since our bigs would be so young.

Dalembert
Moute
Udoh

for

Perkins
Reggie Jackson
Jeremy Lamb

Again, not sure how close that is in terms of value, but it sheds salary for them, while getting one extremely useful piece for a championship team, and a good defensive young big that won't be asked to score on a cheap contract.

Obviously for us, we get an overpaid positive veteran influence in Perkins, but two very nice young pieces that fill two huge needs for us.

Jennings, Jackson
Lamb, Dunleavy, Lamb
Harris, Dunleavy
Lly, Henson, Gooden
Sanders, Perkins,

Plus, whatever we can get for Ellis. Or sign a guy like Morrow or Reddick.

Jennings, Jackson
Reddick, Lamb, Lamb
Harris, Dunleavy
Lly, Henson, Gooden
Sanders, Perkins

Plus you draft pick....Great looking young core going into next year.