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wichmae wrote:If we are lining up the players by skills alone and how they would fit on the roster I take JJ.

emunney wrote:I just don't like Klay Thompson, but I agree with the underlying point.

paulpressey25 wrote:

jakecronus8 wrote: His entire time here seems to be moves trying to atone for the last mistake he made.

He is terrible, but Kohl is the guy who hired him, employs him and gives him direction. I did this thread because I got tired of hearing a few guys on WSSP talk about how in a vacuum the Redick trade was great.

If you trace back the assets we used to acquire him, the trail presents a very different story.

And we've now done this over and over the last five years.

Yi asset used for RJ who because of his huge salary and declining play we had to downgrade to Kurt Thomas, Delfino and Bruce Bowen's expiring.

Mo Williams, who due to salary and fit issues we had to dump for Ridnour, who we then tried to later dump with Potsie for more salary space. But when we couldn't dump Ridnour that meant we had to dump Ramon Sessions and not match his reasonable contract. Then in 2010 when Ridnour actually turns into a positive value player, we let him walk as a free agent because we supposedly don't have the money to pay a backup PG $4 million a year (Hello Beno! at $7.5 million a year one year later)

Gadzuric and Bell's expiring contracts used to acquire Maggette, who we had to then spend that 2011 lotto pick on to acquire Stephen Jackson, who we then had to blow part of the Bogut asset to dump.

Bogut who we had to use to dump Jackson and acquire Monta and Udoh, who we apparently tried to dump in different trades yesterday.

The only positive one I can think of is John Salmons. We got him for nothing and in the trade out, actually got positive value in Beno and moving up from pick 10 to pick 7 in 2011. But we turned around and pissed away that value.

I'm missing other examples that you guys can fill in.

paulpressey25 wrote:

emunney wrote:I just don't like Klay Thompson, but I agree with the underlying point.

Fair commentary. And that is my main point, i.e., we just keep devaluing these assets and never can build anything.

InsideOut wrote:Someday Hammond might figure out why you don't sign these guys in the first place.

EzeDoesIt wrote:Klay Thompson is pretty bad. I mean, sure, he's younger, but at some point you have to look and see that Redick is twice the player that he is.

KeyRabbit wrote:

paulpressey25 wrote:

emunney wrote:I just don't like Klay Thompson, but I agree with the underlying point.

Fair commentary. And that is my main point, i.e., we just keep devaluing these assets and never can build anything.

We missed on our franchise-turning moment. Had Bogut turned out to be a true franchise player so many other pieces would have fallen into place. Instead, the team is stuck in the cycle of stopgaps and tinkering around the edges. Without the courage to truly blow things up to get the draft pick, max cap space, whatever, this team is never truly building a contender. Even had the Bucks pulled off one of the other trades many on here were talking about (e.g., Afflalo), it's really just putting together a second-round team at best. Either one of Redick or Thompson really gets us nowhere. We overvalue the assets we have and end up not having a sensible direction.

wichmae wrote:If we are lining up the players by skills alone and how they would fit on the roster I take JJ.

paulpressey25 wrote:

emunney wrote:I just don't like Klay Thompson, but I agree with the underlying point.

Fair commentary. And that is my main point, i.e., we just keep devaluing these assets and never can build anything.

It seemed like for awhile on WSSP yesterday we reached a tipping point where people would start to see through this.

But we will see Redick tomorrow night shoot 7-10 in a Bucks win, and we'll forget once again all our underlying screwups.

jakecronus8 wrote:I blame ownership/front office for the Bogut era not being what it should have been. Watching Bogut in college is depressing. He was so confident in everything he did. The Bucks blew their opportunity in the moves that followed that summer. They should have sat on cap space and let Bogut be the #1 option from the start, while pulling an OKC and acquiring picks and young assets. Instead they give Redd the max, bring back Gadz, overpay Simmons, and trade for Magloire. They then move Bogut to the 4, and relegate him to a garbage man role on offense while letting the guards shoot them out of games. Destroyed the confident all around beast that Bogut was. To me the turning point of the franchise was giving Redd the max and going for it rather than the rebuild that was gifted to them.

whatthe_buck!? wrote:
I would be interested to know if the guys who are excited about Redick and voted for him in this thread would trade him strait up for Klay if that were magically possible and GS was giving us a take it or leave it offer that we had to accept or reject within 1 minute...

jakecronus8 wrote:I blame ownership/front office for the Bogut era not being what it should have been. Watching Bogut in college is depressing. He was so confident in everything he did. The Bucks blew their opportunity in the moves that followed that summer. They should have sat on cap space and let Bogut be the #1 option from the start, while pulling an OKC and acquiring picks and young assets. Instead they give Redd the max, bring back Gadz, overpay Simmons, and trade for Magloire. They then move Bogut to the 4, and relegate him to a garbage man role on offense while letting the guards shoot them out of games. Destroyed the confident all around beast that Bogut was. To me the turning point of the franchise was giving Redd the max and going for it rather than the rebuild that was gifted to them.