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I realize he''s had a slow start. But he's still damn competent and will help us win games if only for his depth.

This board has amazing collective brainpower. We need you guys to go all out in thinking up some trade ideas. Not just "Ersan for Asik w/3rd team". I'm talking creative, out of the box stuff.

-Think of teams in the East or West that could use him for playoff positioning.

-Think of who has draft picks either this year or next they might part with

We can take back a young prospect type, but no vets that will help us win games.

Go!

Let's follow this up with a Sanders or Henson trade thread. Because one has to go.

ReasonablySober wrote:Let's follow this up with a Sanders or Henson trade thread. Because one has to go.

Fair point. We've got the Sanders one here, if people want to go that route.

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But let's get thinking hard on Ersan. I know there is something out there we'd all love that is plausible. Just don't know what it is.

Id take Henson over Larry.

Biyombo and Sessions.
Karasev and Clark.
Ross and Fields.
Bullock, Green and Crawford.
Lamb and Perkins for Ersan and Udoh.

Baddy Chuck wrote:Biyombo and Sessions.

Ross and Fields.

Lamb and Perkins for Ersan and Udoh.

I like any of those three. However, we likely need to add more assets to the mix. Also, Sessions will help us win games.

If Ersan is playing like he has the Bucks can just hold onto him and keep the tank rolling. Moving him for negative or neutral assets seems like a waste at this point.

But I'm fine moving him for expiring crap or future protected firsts.

Whatever.

ReasonablySober wrote:If Ersan is playing like he has the Bucks can just hold onto him and keep the tank rolling. Moving him for negative or neutral assets seems like a waste at this point.

Think the days of possibly, maybe, probably not getting a good asset like Washington's first for Ersan are over.

I think Ersan has positive value. I think the Wizards do trade us their 2016 first, top 5 protected for him.

paulpressey25 wrote:I think Ersan has positive value. I think the Wizards do trade us their 2016 first, top 5 protected for him.

I think he has positive value, I just hardly believe he has great value.

Ernie Grunfeld and Herb think alike. Grunfeld still hanging on in Washington. I think he goes all in and flames the franchise before being fired. Plausible we could get something out of him.

What about Portland? We've talked on them before.

Ersan to Detroit for CV, right to swap in 2015, 1st in 2016 top 5 protected. (2014 already going to Charlotte, top 8 protected)

MIL OUT: Ilyasova, Udoh, 2014 2nd Round Pick (Lakers), 2016 2nd Round Pick (Pelicans)
MIL IN: Evan Fournier, Darrell Arthur, PHI protected 2nd rounder

DEN OUT: Fournier, Arthur
DEN IN: Ilyasova

PHI OUT: 31-58 Protected 2016 2nd Round pick, same protection for next 5 seasons, option expires
PHI IN: Udoh, 2014 2nd, 2016 2nd

Denver stays below the luxury tax.

Philly a) has the cap space to accommodate this trade b) is one of the teams (re: Hinkie) that recognizes what value Udoh has c) gets another 2nd this year.

Arthur is then bought-out at the end of the season. Or earlier. Whatever.

EDIT: I think the Bucks could get more value for Ersan, but I like Fournier's game and want a trade that could be done quickly.

Ersan to Dallas for B. Wright & Larkin

paulpressey25 wrote:I think Ersan has positive value. I think the Wizards do trade us their 2016 first, top 5 protected for him.

cinematographer wrote:MIL OUT: Ilyasova, Udoh, 2014 2nd Round Pick (Lakers), 2016 2nd Round Pick (Pelicans)
MIL IN: Evan Fournier, Darrell Arthur, PHI protected 2nd rounder

DEN OUT: Fournier, Arthur
DEN IN: Ilyasova

PHI OUT: 31-58 Protected 2016 2nd Round pick, same protection for next 5 seasons, option expires
PHI IN: Udoh, 2014 2nd, 2016 2nd

Denver stays below the luxury tax.

Philly a) has the cap space to accommodate this trade b) is one of the teams (re: Hinkie) that recognizes what value Udoh has c) gets another 2nd this year.

Arthur is then bought-out at the end of the season. Or earlier. Whatever.

EDIT: I think the Bucks could get more value for Ersan, but I like Fournier's game and want a trade that could be done quickly.

What have you seen from Fournier that you like? I haven't seen him play much, but his numbers last year (either basic box-score numbers or more advanced stats) don't jump out at me. And this year he has regressed pretty significantly.

Don't think Hammond feels secure enough in his job to do it, nor can he convince Kohl to think long term - but a bunch of trades for 2015/2016 picks would be so win.

Thomas Robinson could be a sweet short-term tank commander w/ a little bit of long-term potential if we could build a deal around him w/ Portland.

runasone wrote:What have you seen from Fournier that you like? I haven't seen him play much, but his numbers last year (either basic box-score numbers or more advanced stats) don't jump out at me. And this year he has regressed pretty significantly.

6'7", can play both wing positions, terrific handle for his size, ran the pick and roll very well in Europe, capable passer, 40% from deep as a rookie, still at 38% for his career after his shaky start. And finished at 63% at the rim in Europe.

He's insurance if we don't get Wiggins.

Swan Vox wrote:Thomas Robinson could be a sweet short-term tank commander w/ a little bit of long-term potential if we could build a deal around him w/ Portland.

If they would entertain the idea of Aldridge at the 5, Ilyasova makes a lot of sense for them. If not, it'd be a lot of money for a back-up.