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The other thread was approaching 100 pages I've had to lock it down and start up a new one.

LUKE23 wrote:Either way, I think he makes the jump to efficient 20+ ppg scorer next year.

I hope so, but I don't think so.

Jabari will be more aggressive next season in offense. Middleton willl have his shots. Monroe too.
I guess it all comes if Monroe stays in Milwaukee. In a team with at least 4 starters capable of scoring >15ppg, 18ppg would make me happy for Giannis.

probably my favorite play of the night

Kidd will have to be on top of developing game plans that gets everyone satisfied. Identify a different weakness to attack every game.

I feel like we are sticking with Monroe for a while, it will be hard for Giannis to score 20 a game next year unless he really explodes

crkone wrote:Kidd will have to be on top of developing game plans that gets everyone satisfied. Identify a different weakness to attack every game.

The nice part is that Mids/Jabari/Giannis should all be able to rotate on and off the bench attack the same weakness, and with all the points in the paint one of these days we should be able to get other teams bigs in foul trouble which should open up the lane for everyone, someday

H2tObes wrote:I feel like we are sticking with Monroe for a while, it will be hard for Giannis to score 20 a game next year unless he really explodes

A respectable jump shot makes that entirely possible. Dude has been putting up like ~20 ppg in the team's recent upward trend pretty much exclusively in the paint. And we know his jump shot isn't broken, it's like 90% confidence/mental related. Even if he had just end of last year Giannis' midrange game he would probably be at 18-20 this year.

Also, Jabari's jumpshot improvement will help Giannis too, it'll open up more driving lanes not just for himself but for Giannis too.

Milbuck wrote:

H2tObes wrote:I feel like we are sticking with Monroe for a while, it will be hard for Giannis to score 20 a game next year unless he really explodes

A respectable jump shot makes that entirely possible. Dude has been putting up like ~20 ppg in the team's recent upward trend pretty much exclusively in the paint. And we know his jump shot isn't broken, it's like 90% confidence/mental related. Even if he had just end of last year Giannis' midrange game he would probably be at 18-20 this year.

Also, Jabari's jumpshot improvement will help Giannis too, it'll open up more driving lanes not just for himself but for Giannis too.

First of all, Giannis has shown no signs of a reliable jumper

Second, how would you even fit usage for Giannis to take extra shots, who's going to drop their usage to account for him taking extra jumpers? Monroe? no Middleton? no, he's rising Jabari? he's already low and due for an increase Mcw? no

Be more realistic

Dcebucks11 wrote:

Milbuck wrote:

H2tObes wrote:I feel like we are sticking with Monroe for a while, it will be hard for Giannis to score 20 a game next year unless he really explodes

A respectable jump shot makes that entirely possible. Dude has been putting up like ~20 ppg in the team's recent upward trend pretty much exclusively in the paint. And we know his jump shot isn't broken, it's like 90% confidence/mental related. Even if he had just end of last year Giannis' midrange game he would probably be at 18-20 this year.

Also, Jabari's jumpshot improvement will help Giannis too, it'll open up more driving lanes not just for himself but for Giannis too.

First of all, Giannis has shown no signs of a reliable jumper

Second, how would you even fit usage for Giannis to take extra shots, who's going to drop their usage to account for him taking extra jumpers? Monroe? no Middleton? no, he's rising Jabari? he's already low and due for an increase Mcw? no

Be more realistic

First of all, no, he was shooting the midrange at a very decent clip later on in the season last year. He has shown plenty of signs of developing a reliable jumper down the road.

And I don't know, maybe the PG who already has been decreasing his usage progressively since he came here and has been sub-20% in this recent team improvement? And trading Bayless' selfish ass would help too. If Giannis earns his usage, he'll get it.

If Giannis looks like a 20 ppg guy there is easily the 5% usage or something that would be more than enough to get him there.

Milbuck wrote:

Dcebucks11 wrote:

Milbuck wrote:A respectable jump shot makes that entirely possible. Dude has been putting up like ~20 ppg in the team's recent upward trend pretty much exclusively in the paint. And we know his jump shot isn't broken, it's like 90% confidence/mental related. Even if he had just end of last year Giannis' midrange game he would probably be at 18-20 this year.

Also, Jabari's jumpshot improvement will help Giannis too, it'll open up more driving lanes not just for himself but for Giannis too.

First of all, Giannis has shown no signs of a reliable jumper

Second, how would you even fit usage for Giannis to take extra shots, who's going to drop their usage to account for him taking extra jumpers? Monroe? no Middleton? no, he's rising Jabari? he's already low and due for an increase Mcw? no

Be more realistic

First of all, no, he was shooting the midrange at a very decent clip later on in the season last year. He has shown plenty of signs of developing a reliable jumper down the road.

And I don't know, maybe the PG who already has been decreasing his usage progressively since he came here and has been sub-20% in this recent team improvement? And trading Bayless' selfish ass would help too. If Giannis earns his usage, he'll get it.

A ball handler will always have a decent amount of usage.. You expect him to cut his usage even more to account Giannis than you're fooling yourself... where he's been lately is as low as it's going to get.. He will most likely be replaced in the future with a guy who'll account for more usage anyways

Giannis will never earn his usage, monroe and middleton will always be priority no.1.. Than you got Jabari parker who will be due for an increase, than whoever should replace MCW..

Get real man, his ceiling is where he is at pretty much this year with such an inconsistent jumper.

Dcebucks11 wrote:

Milbuck wrote:

Dcebucks11 wrote:
First of all, Giannis has shown no signs of a reliable jumper

Second, how would you even fit usage for Giannis to take extra shots, who's going to drop their usage to account for him taking extra jumpers? Monroe? no Middleton? no, he's rising Jabari? he's already low and due for an increase Mcw? no

Be more realistic

First of all, no, he was shooting the midrange at a very decent clip later on in the season last year. He has shown plenty of signs of developing a reliable jumper down the road.

And I don't know, maybe the PG who already has been decreasing his usage progressively since he came here and has been sub-20% in this recent team improvement? And trading Bayless' selfish ass would help too. If Giannis earns his usage, he'll get it.

A ball handler will always have a decent amount of usage.. You expect him to cut his usage even more to account Giannis than you're fooling yourself... where he's been lately is as low as it's going to get.. He will most likely be replaced in the future with a guy who'll account for more usage anyways

Giannis will never earn his usage, monroe and middleton will always be priority no.1.. Than you got Jabari parker who will be due for an increase, than whoever should replace MCW..

Get real man, his ceiling is where he is at pretty much this year with such an inconsistent jumper.

How much does it kill you that Giannis is better than Wiggins?

Yeah but Wiggins that takes 7 FGA more than Giannis per game and scores 20 ppg with 0 defense 0 ball handling or anything really is realistic to be called superstar
DCE , you cannot fool even yourself with the crap you post now.

Milbuck wrote:

Dcebucks11 wrote:

Milbuck wrote:First of all, no, he was shooting the midrange at a very decent clip later on in the season last year. He has shown plenty of signs of developing a reliable jumper down the road.

And I don't know, maybe the PG who already has been decreasing his usage progressively since he came here and has been sub-20% in this recent team improvement? And trading Bayless' selfish ass would help too. If Giannis earns his usage, he'll get it.

A ball handler will always have a decent amount of usage.. You expect him to cut his usage even more to account Giannis than you're fooling yourself... where he's been lately is as low as it's going to get.. He will most likely be replaced in the future with a guy who'll account for more usage anyways

Giannis will never earn his usage, monroe and middleton will always be priority no.1.. Than you got Jabari parker who will be due for an increase, than whoever should replace MCW..

Get real man, his ceiling is where he is at pretty much this year with such an inconsistent jumper.

How much does it kill you that Giannis is better than Wiggins?

First of all idc about Wiggins I care about how the Bucks do. Second, Wiggins is much further along than Giannis. I would trade a package of Giannis + more to get him easily but minny would decline

Dcebucks11 wrote:

Milbuck wrote:

Dcebucks11 wrote:
A ball handler will always have a decent amount of usage.. You expect him to cut his usage even more to account Giannis than you're fooling yourself... where he's been lately is as low as it's going to get.. He will most likely be replaced in the future with a guy who'll account for more usage anyways

Giannis will never earn his usage, monroe and middleton will always be priority no.1.. Than you got Jabari parker who will be due for an increase, than whoever should replace MCW..

Get real man, his ceiling is where he is at pretty much this year with such an inconsistent jumper.

How much does it kill you that Giannis is better than Wiggins?

First of all idc about Wiggins I care about how the Bucks do. Second, Wiggins is much further along than Giannis. I would trade a package of Giannis + more to get him easily but minny would decline

That 52 TS% and .069 WS/48. So much further along.

ZeppelinPage wrote:

Dcebucks11 wrote:

Milbuck wrote:How much does it kill you that Giannis is better than Wiggins?

First of all idc about Wiggins I care about how the Bucks do. Second, Wiggins is much further along than Giannis. I would trade a package of Giannis + more to get him easily but minny would decline

That 52 TS% and .069 WS/48. So much further along.

It helps when all Giannis can do is dunk, like i said.. Giannis is not versatile enough to score much more than he has.. He's got no game other than at the rim.

Wiggins can do it all

"Do it all" is shooting 24.5% from 3, just 1.5% better from 3 than Giannis who apparently has "no jumpshot"

Wiggins puts up 5 more points on 5 more shots and is worse at literally everything else. And he's not even a better scorer, the only reason he puts up more points is because he chucks up as many extra shots as he puts up extra points. There is zero argument for Wiggins being a better player right now. Outside of bad efficiency volume scoring dude sucks at pretty much everything. Crap defender, horrible rebounder, awful passer, poor hustle/energy.

Dcebucks11 wrote:

ZeppelinPage wrote:

Dcebucks11 wrote:
First of all idc about Wiggins I care about how the Bucks do. Second, Wiggins is much further along than Giannis. I would trade a package of Giannis + more to get him easily but minny would decline

That 52 TS% and .069 WS/48. So much further along.

It helps when all Giannis can do is dunk, like i said.. Giannis is not versatile enough to score much more than he has.. He's got no game other than at the rim.

Wiggins can do it all

All Giannis can do is "dunk" yet he still has a higher TS% and FT%?

Wiggins shoots 1.5% higher on 3's and shoots one more per game, so clearly he can't do that. He has a 35 FG% on shots between 16-23 feet, that's pretty below average.

So if Wiggins can do it all, what would that refer to? Is it passing? No. Is it rebounding? Don't think so. Oh, defense! Wait.. Giannis is better than him at that too...

Oh I know what it is -- shooting a lot.

Dcebucks11 wrote:

ZeppelinPage wrote:

Dcebucks11 wrote:
First of all idc about Wiggins I care about how the Bucks do. Second, Wiggins is much further along than Giannis. I would trade a package of Giannis + more to get him easily but minny would decline

That 52 TS% and .069 WS/48. So much further along.

It helps when all Giannis can do is dunk, like i said.. Giannis is not versatile enough to score much more than he has.. He's got no game other than at the rim.

Wiggins can do it all

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Its a little bit disappointing that Giannis did not evolve his shooting a lot this year. I expect him to score 6-8 points from middle range starting from next season. If he doesnt , well....we dont know many players who have improved their shooting after their 4th year in the league, do we? He is gonna be a PF who drives like no one else, who posts relatively well, an all star maybe, but he will miss the chance to be someone really special. We ll see.