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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#641 » by buckboy » Wed May 24, 2017 1:37 pm

Gianstoppable wrote:Gery on the Fan, says he was told ownership will let Zanik make moves and has the potential to fire Kidd


Hope to God this is true. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#642 » by ReasonablySober » Wed May 24, 2017 1:42 pm

If they're serious about Zanik, make him the POBO. Ainge in Boston, Ujiri in Toronto come to mind. I want someone in the FO with God-Power.
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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#643 » by Baddy Chuck » Wed May 24, 2017 1:44 pm

xTitan wrote:So take this for what it is worth, Woelfel just said that Zanik has negotiated that he has full control, can fire who he wants, including Kidd.....now Woelfel also said Kidd would remain the coach to start, but be on a very short leash.

So you're telling me in a matter of hours Zanik has negotiated something that was deemed impossible when ole Hambone was here?
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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#644 » by LUKE23 » Wed May 24, 2017 1:46 pm

Gooden was the only bad contract he handed out? That's hilarious.
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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#645 » by ReasonablySober » Wed May 24, 2017 1:46 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:If they're serious about Zanik, make him the POBO. Ainge in Boston, Ujiri in Toronto come to mind. I want someone in the FO with God-Power.


Hell, this would be my #1 stipulation to taking the Milwaukee job, given the Who's Running What s*it-show it's been for literally decades.
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Post#646 » by ReasonablySober » Wed May 24, 2017 1:48 pm

I wonder if people realize how stupid it looks to non-Bucks fans when the discussion of Hammond's good vs bad moves come up. Firing him for a MLE or late round pick vs drafting Giannis or trading for Middleton or getting the ROY in the 2nd round.
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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#647 » by crkone » Wed May 24, 2017 1:50 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:If they're serious about Zanik, make him the POBO. Ainge in Boston, Ujiri in Toronto come to mind. I want someone in the FO with God-Power.


Hell, this would be my #1 stipulation to taking the Milwaukee job, given the Who's Running What s*it-show it's been for literally decades.



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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#648 » by xTitan » Wed May 24, 2017 1:50 pm

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xTitan wrote:So take this for what it is worth, Woelfel just said that Zanik has negotiated that he has full control, can fire who he wants, including Kidd.....now Woelfel also said Kidd would remain the coach to start, but be on a very short leash.

So you're telling me in a matter of hours Zanik has negotiated something that was deemed impossible when ole Hambone was here?

Woelfel tweeted yesterday that Zanik's initial deal as assistant GM, put him on par pay wise as a GM, not an assistant.....that would lead you to believe 2 things.....they wanted Zanik badly and he is one hell of a negotiator......but consider the source as well.
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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#649 » by LUKE23 » Wed May 24, 2017 1:51 pm

I will never debate his drafting skills. Just think overall he's been very poor in FA, trades, and overall asset maximization. Given where we are now (picking late teens or later every year barring a Giannis injury) FA, cap smarts, asset management all become more important. Hammond wasn't good at any of that.
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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#650 » by ReasonablySober » Wed May 24, 2017 1:52 pm

crkone wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:If they're serious about Zanik, make him the POBO. Ainge in Boston, Ujiri in Toronto come to mind. I want someone in the FO with God-Power.


Hell, this would be my #1 stipulation to taking the Milwaukee job, given the Who's Running What s*it-show it's been for literally decades.



LED: Here take this millions of dollars.

GM candidate: No sirs I will not. I have dignity.

LED: LOL K.


You're acting like Zanik doesn't have options. It's not like he needs the Milwaukee job.
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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#651 » by crkone » Wed May 24, 2017 1:52 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
xTitan wrote:So take this for what it is worth, Woelfel just said that Zanik has negotiated that he has full control, can fire who he wants, including Kidd.....now Woelfel also said Kidd would remain the coach to start, but be on a very short leash.

So you're telling me in a matter of hours Zanik has negotiated something that was deemed impossible when ole Hambone was here?


Uhhh you do know that LED personally picked Zanik, and Hammond still made it years without getting fired, and was hired away from this **** show.

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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#652 » by Ron Swanson » Wed May 24, 2017 1:53 pm

Zanik firing Kidd is actually pretty plausible. It's Resolving Personal Conflicts in Business 101. Lasry empowers someone else with the freedom to fire his buddy Kidd, it happens, and ownership can say it was just "letting the appointed basketball people make basketball decisions".

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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#653 » by crkone » Wed May 24, 2017 1:56 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
crkone wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Hell, this would be my #1 stipulation to taking the Milwaukee job, given the Who's Running What s*it-show it's been for literally decades.



LED: Here take this millions of dollars.

GM candidate: No sirs I will not. I have dignity.

LED: LOL K.


You're acting like Zanik doesn't have options. It's not like he needs the Milwaukee job.


OK wait years to get one of the 30 openings while wasting years of earning potential because you passed open a job on weak principles. Sounds like a great life plan.

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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#654 » by coolhandluke121 » Wed May 24, 2017 1:56 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I wonder if people realize how stupid it looks to non-Bucks fans when the discussion of Hammond's good vs bad moves come up. Firing him for a MLE or late round pick vs drafting Giannis or trading for Middleton or getting the ROY in the 2nd round.


That's a good way to put it. Doubtful it works though.
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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#655 » by SupremeHustle » Wed May 24, 2017 2:01 pm

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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#656 » by ReasonablySober » Wed May 24, 2017 2:03 pm

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LED: Here take this millions of dollars.

GM candidate: No sirs I will not. I have dignity.

LED: LOL K.


You're acting like Zanik doesn't have options. It's not like he needs the Milwaukee job.


OK wait years to get one of the 30 openings while wasting years of earning potential because you passed open a job on weak principles. Sounds like a great life plan.


I mean, if you'd take a job to be known as a toothless figurehead I guess that's your thing.
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Post#657 » by ReasonablySober » Wed May 24, 2017 2:04 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I wonder if people realize how stupid it looks to non-Bucks fans when the discussion of Hammond's good vs bad moves come up. Firing him for a MLE or late round pick vs drafting Giannis or trading for Middleton or getting the ROY in the 2nd round.


That's a good way to put it. Doubtful it works though.


Yea, it won't. But the stark difference in perception of Hammond around the league vs the VooDoos of this board is remarkable. One faction sees the big picture and successes despite the limitations of market and circumstance, the other wants him fired for trading away a late 1st round pick or signing a MLE free agent.
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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#658 » by Nowak008 » Wed May 24, 2017 2:05 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I wonder if people realize how stupid it looks to non-Bucks fans when the discussion of Hammond's good vs bad moves come up. Firing him for a MLE or late round pick vs drafting Giannis or trading for Middleton or getting the ROY in the 2nd round.


How about when Hammond went all in on a win now team and we were the worst team in the league? Worse than 6ers team that was trying to lose every single game...and we beat them by 4 games. That was pretty epic badness by Hambone.

That to me is more significant than swinging for the fences with the Giannis pick, when you have built a complete crap of a roster and collection of assets in your 5th year with the team.
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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#659 » by ReasonablySober » Wed May 24, 2017 2:09 pm

Nowak008 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I wonder if people realize how stupid it looks to non-Bucks fans when the discussion of Hammond's good vs bad moves come up. Firing him for a MLE or late round pick vs drafting Giannis or trading for Middleton or getting the ROY in the 2nd round.


How about when Hammond went all in on a win now team and we were the worst team in the league? Worse than 6ers team that was trying to lose every single game...and we beat them by 4 games. That was pretty epic badness by Hambone.

That to me is more significant than swinging for the fences with the Giannis pick, when you have built a complete crap of a roster and collection of assets in your 5th year with the team.


I've never really bought into this idea of the Bucks going all-in. They were a 38 win team, moved some contributing vets for young guys and signed *drum roll* OJ Mayo and Zaza Pachulia. What killed the Bucks that season was Sanders being injured and losing his mind. Take away by far the Bucks best player and they weren't gonna be good. I don't blame Hammond for that.
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Re: Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership 

Post#660 » by LUKE23 » Wed May 24, 2017 2:10 pm

Let's not forget an unprotected 2018 Lakers 1st which could have easily completed our roster.

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