ATL - PG13 to Thunder

Frank Nova · Post #1921 » by **Frank Nova** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 10:47 pm

Wolves should've went after Ibaka

Matches Malone · Post #1922 » by **Matches Malone** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 10:56 pm

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I'm liking what Sacramento has been able to do since the Cousins trade. If they can keep steadily building through the draft and targeting young good players in free agency, Vlade might not be all that bad. Fox, Hield, Labissiere, Giles, Jackson, Mason, Papagiannis and Cauley-Stein isn't a terrible young core to start building with.

Ron Swanson · Post #1923 » by **Ron Swanson** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 10:58 pm

For as savvy of a GM as Ujiri is at fleecing other teams in trades, he sure isn't all that great in free agency and the draft. Loves being on that treadmill.

blazza18 · Post #1924 » by **blazza18** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:05 pm

Curse those teams who strive to win 50 games every year. Must suck to be them.

Ron Swanson · Post #1925 » by **Ron Swanson** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:08 pm

blazza18 wrote:Curse those teams who strive to win 50 games every year. Must suck to be them.

You seem to really be on this "winning 45-50 games is something we should strive for" kick.

Post #1926 » by **Prez** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:11 pm

I get that historically we shouldn't be in a position to rip on treadmill teams but with Giannis now I think it's entirely reasonable. We're not the current Orlando Magic. We have a 22 year old generational talent. It's okay to be a little arrogant.

blazza18 · Post #1927 » by **blazza18** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:15 pm

48 wins, 49 wins, 56 wins, 51 wins. Must really suck to be a "treadmill" team.

jakecronus8 · Post #1928 » by **jakecronus8** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:19 pm

blazza18 wrote:48 wins, 49 wins, 56 wins, 51 wins. Must really suck to be a "treadmill" team.

Kind of. I've always been a "give me an A or give me an F" kind of guy when it comes to sports. Problem is the Bucks are always giving D+ and C-, and their goal is perennially C+.

Ron Swanson · Post #1929 » by **Ron Swanson** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:20 pm

I don't think anyone's knocking their regular season win totals for the last few years. But rather criticizing locking themselves into an aging core that you already know isn't a contender and with not a whole lot of hope for internal improvement. Maxing out as a 45-50 win team with no ability to improve organically is barely a step above being a 35-40 win treadmill team. But hey, at least you can sell 1st round playoff tickets?

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blazza18 · Post #1930 » by **blazza18** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:24 pm

They just had the best 4 year run of their franchise but because they aren't as good as Lebron they should not bother trying to win 50 games again and tank.

Ron Swanson · Post #1931 » by **Ron Swanson** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:30 pm

Or ya know, they could "retool", dump off some assets for youth, and build around DeRozan and whatever, rather than giving Kyle Lowry $35 mil per year. Novel concept, but not every team needs to either be a championship favorite, or tank, Hinkie-Sixers style.

blazza18 · Post #1932 » by **blazza18** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:36 pm

Ah so it's ok to be a treadmill then because they'd be younger. Like us!

RRyder823 · Post #1933 » by **RRyder823** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:49 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:
blazza18 wrote:48 wins, 49 wins, 56 wins, 51 wins. Must really suck to be a "treadmill" team.

Kind of. I've always been a "give me an A or give me an F" kind of guy when it comes to sports. Problem is the Bucks are always giving D+ and C-, and their goal is perennially C+.

While I understand that point of view I've always hated it. There are levels of success. It's not entirely a "if your not first your last" situation. Or at least it shouldn't be imo.

At least that type of mentality isn't as bad in reference on Bucks boards as it is on Packers boards..... Then again that may have something to do with the success relative to each franchise in question but I digress....

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Bucksfan28 · Post #1934 » by **Bucksfan28** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:54 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
blazza18 wrote:48 wins, 49 wins, 56 wins, 51 wins. Must really suck to be a "treadmill" team.

Kind of. I've always been a "give me an A or give me an F" kind of guy when it comes to sports. Problem is the Bucks are always giving D+ and C-, and their goal is perennially C+.

While I understand that point of view I've always hated it. There are levels of success. It's not entirely a "if your not first your last". Or at least it shouldn't be imo.

At least that type of mentality isn't as bad in reference on Bucks boards as it is on Packers boards..... Then again that may have something to do with the success relative to each franchise in question but I digress....

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You're fighting a noble cause, but vehement disagreement from me. I'm here to hopefully see the Bucks ascend to the mountaintop, even if just once.

RRyder823 · Post #1935 » by **RRyder823** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:54 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Or ya know, they could "retool", dump off some assets for youth, and build around DeRozan and whatever, rather than giving Kyle Lowry $35 mil per year. Novel concept, but not every team needs to either be a championship favorite, or tank, Hinkie-Sixers style.

I don't know..... I've seen more then a few people on the GB say that Boston should tank which makes zero sense to me.

I would've tried to retool also but there is also the possibility of trading these guys down the road also so that's a possibility.

What I'm saying is its better to have these guys on these deals then to have them leave for nothing but can see the argument for letting them walk also

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RRyder823 · Post #1936 » by **RRyder823** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:58 pm

Bucksfan28 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
Kind of. I've always been a "give me an A or give me an F" kind of guy when it comes to sports. Problem is the Bucks are always giving D+ and C-, and their goal is perennially C+.

While I understand that point of view I've always hated it. There are levels of success. It's not entirely a "if your not first your last". Or at least it shouldn't be imo.

At least that type of mentality isn't as bad in reference on Bucks boards as it is on Packers boards..... Then again that may have something to do with the success relative to each franchise in question but I digress....

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You're fighting a noble cause, but vehement disagreement from me. I'm here to hopefully see the Bucks ascend to the mountaintop, even if just once.

I want to see it too brother.

Guess years on Packers boards reading posts condemning every season that doesn't end in a SB an utter failure and people are calling for heads to roll has made me a little jaded on the matter.

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Bucksfan28 · Post #1937 » by **Bucksfan28** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 12:00 am

Prez wrote:I get that historically we shouldn't be in a position to rip on treadmill teams but with Giannis now I think it's entirely reasonable. We're not the current Orlando Magic. We have a 22 year old generational talent. It's okay to be a little arrogant.

Is it though? Do pelicans fans have that same right?

I just don't see the point or satisfaction in trolling the bottom of the barrel. Let's start actually winning playoff series before carrying any sort of entitlement.

jakecronus8 · Post #1938 » by **jakecronus8** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 12:01 am

RRyder823 wrote:
Bucksfan28 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:While I understand that point of view I've always hated it. There are levels of success. It's not entirely a "if your not first your last". Or at least it shouldn't be imo.

At least that type of mentality isn't as bad in reference on Bucks boards as it is on Packers boards..... Then again that may have something to do with the success relative to each franchise in question but I digress....

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You're fighting a noble cause, but vehement disagreement from me. I'm here to hopefully see the Bucks ascend to the mountaintop, even if just once.

I want to see it too brother.

Guess years on Packers boards reading posts condemning every season that doesn't end in a SB an utter failure and people are calling for heads to roll has made me a little jaded on the matter.

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I get that, but generally the Packers have a talent level capable of winning it all every single season.

InsideOut · Post #1939 » by **InsideOut** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 12:02 am

A treadmill team blows it up and they get ripped for not trying.

A treadmill team pays up to keep their best players and stay competitive and they get ripped for staying on the treadmill.

I'm not sure what people expect these teams (especially the ones in the non-glamour markets) to do. I guess the answer is let a couple of the best guys walk, sign worse players for less money, win 40 games instead of 50 and add that missing piece with a pick in the mid teens.

I also don't get why people on getting on Ainge. He took a bad team and rebuilt them into a title winner. Then he blew it up at the perfect time and aquired a bunch of assets. Now he has rebuilt again, has a #1 seed and still has a bunch of assets. The guy has the team in a great spot. If he thinks he can cash in now and win a title he can go that way. If he thinks he still can't get past Cleveland and GS he can still keep developing the youth from the high picks and cash in later or see if the youth get good enough to get to the finals once James moves on again. It's not like the guy is sitting on a capped out .500 team with few assets or high picks to work with.

Plossum · Post #1940 » by **Plossum** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 12:08 am

I guess it depends on how you define success. Some see winning 50 each year only to be LeBron's whipping boy come the Playoffs is hardly something to celebrate. Others see regular 50 win season (albeit with no realistic chance of contention) as success in itself. To each their own--there isn't really a right answer here.

The Raps looks like they're happy to be the former for the next two years or so and I imagine they'll tear it down once Lowry, Ibaka and DeRozan come off the books (whether by trade or letting them walk in FA).

Good for them. If I was a Raps fan, it'd feel like a lost couple of years that could be spent building through the draft and stockpiling some assets but I won't begrudge a team that wants to win.