2017 Bucks Off Season Thread 3 - Trades and Free Agents - Clark pg. 35

Post #1 » by **MickeyDavis** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 8:29 pm

Other thread maxed out

Fotis St · Post #2 » by **Fotis St** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 8:37 pm

We are maxed out of cap space too...

Now we wait if we can dump a contract or make a trade

SirChurros · Post #3 » by **SirChurros** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 8:41 pm

There's a deal out there somewhere for Monroe. Just a matter of whether or not Horst pulls the trigger.

drat456 · Post #4 » by **drat456** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 8:44 pm

Marvin Berry wrote:There's a deal out there somewhere for Monroe. Just a matter of whether or not Horst pulls the trigger.

Link?

Bernman · Post #5 » by **Bernman** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 8:52 pm

Marvin Berry wrote:There's a deal out there somewhere for Monroe. Just a matter of whether or not Horst pulls the trigger.

It shouldn't be a priority, considering he was the 2nd most valuable player to a playoff team last season. This year he should be relegated to 3rd with Middleton returning to health presumably, but that's still worth the money, for one season.

Of course if the right deal comes along, we should pull the trigger. But passed the draft, I don't know what that would be right now. We going to get the next Paul George or Jimmy Butler rental, using Monroe as part of the package including a prospect, and do we even want to do that at this stage in our development?

Post #6 » by **humanrefutation** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 8:53 pm

Going all-in would look like this.

Step 1: Monroe and Hawes to SA for Aldridge.

Why Milwaukee? Aldridge would be an upgrade.

Why San Antonio? You shed LMA and open up a max slot for next season.

You could also make the same offer to Cleveland for Love, which would afford us another shooting threat and give Cleveland a max slot for next season, but I don't think LeBron signs off on it.

Step 2: Sign Lowry to 5 year, 150 contract. Don't have the cap space, so you need to sign and trade.

Step 3: Call Toronto. Convince them that it's time for them to rebuild.

Trade: Middleton, Henson, Delly, Telly, First for DeRozan, Lowry (S&T)

Why does Toronto do it? It gives them a chance to rebuild with a nice core piece in Middleton. Allows them to dump DeRozan.

Why does Milwaukee do it? Time to make a run. Sheds some contracts off the books.

Lowry/Brogdon
DeRozan/Snell/Brown
Giannis/Parker/
Aldridge/Wilson
Thon/Wilson

Post #7 » by **Prez** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 8:56 pm

Attach assets if you have to, but we absolutely have to shed Henson/Mirza this summer.

Bernman · Post #8 » by **Bernman** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:05 pm

Prez wrote:Attach assets if you have to, but we absolutely have to shed Henson/Mirza this summer.

There are exceptions to the rule, but I'm generally not big on bumping threads and quoting people out of spite. That's usually petty and self-serving.

However, I think for the purpose of pointing out the irony, and perspective, it would be warranted to remind people right now what many were saying about the Henson and Teletovic deals at the time. There was a large contingent acting like they couldn't hurt us. Now some are willing to attach assets to just get them out of here, and many are having the same attitude toward the Snell signing that there is little to no risk with it.

lvckv · Post #9 » by **lvckv** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:07 pm

We should move Monroe for whatever draft pick/s we can get. Then use those picks, and some of our own from 2019 on to get rid of Delly, Teletovic, Henson, Snell.

Then just fill the bench with one-year deals and cheap flyers. Our core can bring this team to the playoffs without us being capped out to do so.

That way we'd have $40m~ or so of cap space for 2019-20 (assuming Jabari gets around $20m), when Middleton probably opts out and we could recruit a starter FA before re-signing him.

As things stand we'll be capped out in 2019-20 with $31m committed to Snell, Delly, Henson...

lvckv · Post #10 » by **lvckv** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:08 pm

I can't think of anything worse than 'going all-in' now.

imithanos · Post #11 » by **imithanos** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:09 pm

Prez wrote:Attach assets if you have to, but we absolutely have to shed Henson/Mirza this summer.

Why?

sdn40 · Post #12 » by **sdn40** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:12 pm

Bernman wrote:It shouldn't be a priority, considering he was the 2nd most valuable player to a playoff team last season. This year he should be relegated to 3rd with Middleton returning to health presumably, but that's still worth the money, for one season.

Of course if the right deal comes along, we should pull the trigger. But passed the draft, I don't know what that would be right now. We going to get the next Paul George or Jimmy Butler rental, using Monroe as part of the package including a prospect, and do we even want to do that at this stage in our development?

I agree. It shouldn't be a priority but it may be a necessity to shed some crap. I'll go as far as saying without a viable replacement, we don't make the playoffs next year without Monroe. People are quick to just want to trade just to trade, but losing Monroe has a huge domino effect to this team IMO. As stated, he was our second best playoff performer and our third best player overall. Behind him we have Hawes and a bunch of stretch 3's. Oh and zero power forwards. Thon is still gonna get pushed around by anyone legit and extended minutes brings foul trouble.
Be careful what you wish for

Chuck Diesel · Post #13 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:13 pm

Do we still have that 8 million mid level or nah?

lvckv · Post #14 » by **lvckv** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:18 pm

If we stay under the tax, yeah. If not it's like $5m. We're just under it right now.

We shouldn't even be over the cap with this group of players though, never mind worrying what kind of MLE we're getting.

imithanos · Post #15 » by **imithanos** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:18 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:Do we still have that 8 million mid level or nah?

I think yes, but we're probably already over the luxury cap.

econniption · Post #16 » by **econniption** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:18 pm

lvckv wrote:We should move Monroe for whatever draft pick/s we can get. Then use those picks, and some of our own from 2019 on to get rid of Delly, Teletovic, Henson, Snell.

Then just fill the bench with one-year deals and cheap flyers. Our core can bring this team to the playoffs without us being capped out to do so.

That way we'd have $40m~ or so of cap space for 2019-20 (assuming Jabari gets around $20m), when Middleton probably opts out and we could recruit a starter FA before re-signing him.

As things stand we'll be capped out in 2019-20 with $31m committed to Snell, Delly, Henson...

That's all well and good, but do you think the Bucks' ownership/FO have the foresight, intelligence, and patience to do that?

Post #17 » by **MickeyDavis** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:21 pm

A 42 win team at the luxury tax. SMH

imithanos · Post #18 » by **imithanos** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:24 pm

With Kidd as a coach and without Monroe we are a bottom 10 team. None of our bench can score.
I mean, if lottery is the goal, I understand the logic of the trade, otherwise wait till deadline to give at least some time for Thon to mature.

sdn40 · Post #19 » by **sdn40** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:26 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:A 42 win team at the luxury tax. SMH

A 32 win team without Monroe just in time for the new arena

Fotis St · Post #20 » by **Fotis St** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 9:28 pm

imithanos wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Do we still have that 8 million mid level or nah?

I think yes, but we're probably already over the luxury cap.

We are 920K under luxury tax.

I believe we have a 8.4M Mid Level Exception to offer ...

Beasley and Isaiah Canaan would be my picks.
Gerald Green on target list too