Wisconsin Herd Thread

Chuck Diesel · Post #1141 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:44 pm

Sam Dekker’s Russian team had a very disappointing Eurocup season that resulted in an early coach firing, which isn’t surprising considering he was trying to play Dekker, Johnny O’Bryant and Alan Willians together. I don’t think much of Dekker as an NBA player but if he’s tired of Russia and feels like returning home to the 920 for a few months he’d be really good for the Herd.

Johnny O’Bryant plays like Chris Copeland now by the way. It’s weird.

stellation · Post #1142 » by **stellation** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:23 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:Sam Dekker’s Russian team had a very disappointing Eurocup season that resulted in an early coach firing, which isn’t surprising considering he was trying to play Dekker, Johnny O’Bryant and Alan Willians together. I don’t think much of Dekker as an NBA player but if he’s tired of Russia and feels like returning home to the 920 for a few months he’d be really good for the Herd.

Johnny O’Bryant plays like Chris Copeland now by the way. It’s weird.

Very on brand content.

skones · Post #1143 » by **skones** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:35 pm

This is going to be a lot more interesting when these two ways become full on minor league development system. The Herd establishing themselves as an organization where opportunity is given and then seized to the degree of an NBA callup could help in a big way then that happens.

Chuck Diesel · Post #1144 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:47 pm

skones wrote:This is going to be a lot more interesting when these two ways become full on minor league development system. The Herd establishing themselves as an organization where opportunity is given and then seized to the degree of an NBA callup could help in a big way then that happens.

We’ve been at that point for two and a half years...

Beorn · Post #1145 » by **Beorn** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:43 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:Sam Dekker’s Russian team had a very disappointing Eurocup season that resulted in an early coach firing, which isn’t surprising considering he was trying to play Dekker, Johnny O’Bryant and Alan Willians together. I don’t think much of Dekker as an NBA player but if he’s tired of Russia and feels like returning home to the 920 for a few months he’d be really good for the Herd.

Johnny O’Bryant plays like Chris Copeland now by the way. It’s weird.

This team was a HOT mess, partly because they hired incompetents like Luca Banchi and Pashutin, and partly because they assembled a team of overpaid chuckers who don't play D or pass

19M budget only to get eliminated to a lithuanian team not coached by Jasikevicius, 75yo Sami Mejia, Mike Bramos' and Austin Daye's favorite vacation spot and a team coached by Andrea Trinchieri

I had high hopes for JOB but he is too soft. Dekker was always a bad pro player.

emunney · Post #1146 » by **emunney** » Wed Dec 25, 2019 1:38 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:
skones wrote:This is going to be a lot more interesting when these two ways become full on minor league development system. The Herd establishing themselves as an organization where opportunity is given and then seized to the degree of an NBA callup could help in a big way then that happens.

We’ve been at that point for two and a half years...

Think he means more along the lines of baseball. Some period of control over all Herd players.

skones · Post #1147 » by **skones** » Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:35 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:
skones wrote:This is going to be a lot more interesting when these two ways become full on minor league development system. The Herd establishing themselves as an organization where opportunity is given and then seized to the degree of an NBA callup could help in a big way when that happens.

We’ve been at that point for two and a half years...

No. It hasn't.

skones · Post #1148 » by **skones** » Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:37 am

emunney wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:
skones wrote:This is going to be a lot more interesting when these two ways become full on minor league development system. The Herd establishing themselves as an organization where opportunity is given and then seized to the degree of an NBA callup could help in a big way then that happens.

We’ve been at that point for two and a half years...

Think he means more along the lines of baseball. Some period of control over all Herd players.

Bingo.

The league is in place to eventually be that.

ShootingtheJ · Post #1149 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:02 pm

Bender is back, and will be with the Herd tomorrow night.

Chuck Diesel · Post #1150 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:36 pm

emunney wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:
skones wrote:This is going to be a lot more interesting when these two ways become full on minor league development system. The Herd establishing themselves as an organization where opportunity is given and then seized to the degree of an NBA callup could help in a big way then that happens.

We’ve been at that point for two and a half years...

Think he means more along the lines of baseball. Some period of control over all Herd players.

I'm not entirely sure how MLB minor league works in regards to players rights but I don't see the point/viability of the model you describe in the NBA/G-league. Feel like restricting/controlling every roster slot would really disincentivise players from choosing the G-league. Why give up all your leverage in signing with 29 other NBA teams? Unless they hike every salary to at least six figures I don’t know how that conversation gets off the ground.

skones · Post #1151 » by **skones** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:41 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:
emunney wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:
We’ve been at that point for two and a half years...

Think he means more along the lines of baseball. Some period of control over all Herd players.

I'm not entirely sure how MLB minor league works in regards to players rights but I don't see the point/viability of the model you describe in the NBA/G-league. Feel like restricting/controlling every roster slot would really disincentivise players from choosing the G-league. Why give up all your leverage in signing with 29 other NBA teams? Unless they hike every salary to at least six figures I don’t know how that conversation gets off the ground.

I don't know why hiking salaries to 100K a year for a minor league development system isn't viable. A full on roster controlled development system would do a heck of a lot for the level of competition and overall attendance numbers.

Chuck Diesel · Post #1152 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:45 pm

skones wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:
emunney wrote:
Think he means more along the lines of baseball. Some period of control over all Herd players.

I'm not entirely sure how MLB minor league works in regards to players rights but I don't see the point/viability of the model you describe in the NBA/G-league. Feel like restricting/controlling every roster slot would really disincentivise players from choosing the G-league. Why give up all your leverage in signing with 29 other NBA teams? Unless they hike every salary to at least six figures I don’t know how that conversation gets off the ground.

I don't know why hiking salaries to 100K a year for a minor league development system isn't viable. A full on roster controlled development system would do a heck of a lot for the level of competition and overall attendance numbers.

I've personally been in favor of greatly increasing G-league salaries for a long time. It's not having happened yet and the introduction of the 2-ways keeps me skeptical.

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Chuck Diesel · Post #1153 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:16 pm

No more Tucker should mean more shots/touches for Dragan Bender. Looking forward to Bender showing off his development in extended minutes during the tanking/resting stretch in March and April.

skones · Post #1154 » by **skones** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:05 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:
skones wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:
I'm not entirely sure how MLB minor league works in regards to players rights but I don't see the point/viability of the model you describe in the NBA/G-league. Feel like restricting/controlling every roster slot would really disincentivise players from choosing the G-league. Why give up all your leverage in signing with 29 other NBA teams? Unless they hike every salary to at least six figures I don’t know how that conversation gets off the ground.

I don't know why hiking salaries to 100K a year for a minor league development system isn't viable. A full on roster controlled development system would do a heck of a lot for the level of competition and overall attendance numbers.

I've personally been in favor of greatly increasing G-league salaries for a long time. It's not having happened yet and the introduction of the 2-ways keeps me skeptical.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=775281&p=15934151&hilit=my+plan+Chuck+Diesel#p15934151

I mean, we're in what, year 3 of the expansion push? It's very early yet. We've got a couple of teams without affiliates. It's going to be a slow trickle, and the addition of two way contracts is part of that slow push towards that IMO.

Chuck Diesel · Post #1155 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:45 am

Nice undermanned win for the Herd tonight down Adams, Jones, Maye & obviously Tucker. Caught some first half action during which Bender was doing some impressive stuff off the dribble & Bogues (Tucker's replacement) was hitting some very non Bucks mid range pull ups, which he's pretty good at. Herd in some very slick "Oshkosh Aviator" threads.

Fun to see the Dwarvish former MU bucket Rowsey running around for Lakeland. Josh Magette is always a pleasure.

Post #1156 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:35 am

I really hope Bender can turn into a contributor to the Bucks. I still have irrational draft hope for him.

ShootingtheJ · Post #1157 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:39 pm

Really impressive work being done with the Herd this year. They're so deep. AJ Hess was on one last night, he scored 22 off the bench on 11 shots. Bogues was good again, he quickness and length, gets to the basket and finishes. Like Jones he just needs to develop the 3 ball. Bender was really good defensively despite no blocks. McCoy is developing some offense, but is way behind Bender defensively. Hogg was off last night, but was outstanding the game before. Skilled and agile for 6'9".

The only disappointment here is the 2 way players. Reynolds isn't much of an athlete and hasn't developed at all. Tucker doesn't fit. He's a selfish over-dribbler who provides no defense. He's tough to watch. I'd be surprised if they both aren't replaced soon.

Shaffty · Post #1158 » by **Shaffty** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:04 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:Really impressive work being done with the Herd this year. They're so deep. AJ Hess was on one last night, he scored 22 off the bench on 11 shots. Bogues was good again, he quickness and length, gets to the basket and finishes. Like Jones he just needs to develop the 3 ball. Bender was really good defensively despite no blocks. McCoy is developing some offense, but is way behind Bender defensively. Hogg was off last night, but was outstanding the game before. Skilled and agile for 6'9".

The only disappointment here is the 2 way players. Reynolds isn't much of an athlete and hasn't developed at all. Tucker doesn't fit. He's a selfish over-dribbler who provides no defense. He's tough to watch. I'd be surprised if they both aren't replaced soon.

Cam is weird, his game isn't really going to flourish in the G-League setting he needs him teammates to set him up and cant really create for himself. I think he would look a lot better on the Bucks catching and shooting off Giannis than he will in the G League

crkone · Post #1159 » by **crkone** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:38 am

http://www.twitch.tv/nbagleague

ShootingtheJ · Post #1160 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:32 am

Shaffty wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:Really impressive work being done with the Herd this year. They're so deep. AJ Hess was on one last night, he scored 22 off the bench on 11 shots. Bogues was good again, he quickness and length, gets to the basket and finishes. Like Jones he just needs to develop the 3 ball. Bender was really good defensively despite no blocks. McCoy is developing some offense, but is way behind Bender defensively. Hogg was off last night, but was outstanding the game before. Skilled and agile for 6'9".

The only disappointment here is the 2 way players. Reynolds isn't much of an athlete and hasn't developed at all. Tucker doesn't fit. He's a selfish over-dribbler who provides no defense. He's tough to watch. I'd be surprised if they both aren't replaced soon.

Cam is weird, his game isn't really going to flourish in the G-League setting he needs him teammates to set him up and cant really create for himself. I think he would look a lot better on the Bucks catching and shooting off Giannis than he will in the G League

Cam gets TONS of open looks on the Herd. He just doesn't take advantage, and doesn't contribute in any other way. He was brutal tonight, and was destroyed all weekend by the player that should replace him on the 2 way, Vic Law. They should definitely not let Law leave Oshkosh.