Giannis Giannis Giannis

[Presence]

Suki Hobson Vs Creepy Greek Fans.

Yeah suki diagnosys from 10.000 Miles away is best

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No idea what you mean, since she was the person joining Giannis in China?

Also, serious question; are you a Greek journalist?

[Jez2983]

If anyone is interested, although I did get told I was a fraud last time

1) imaging is not indicative of pathology. There's a lot of research into findings on imaging not corresponding to symptoms. Basically people look broken but don't have pain

2) if he has a tendinopathy he can still play fine. Once he's warmed up he probably look normal. But he would be rat **** after rest. Like what you feel like the day after gym but localised to his knee

3) need to get his loading right. If you try and play through the injury it lingers. Dynamic activities do not help. He needs to do other strengthening.

[turbostef]

No i am Magic giannison hating the Bucks FO

lol

[turbostef]

Suki Hobson Vs Creepy Greek Fans.

Yeah suki diagnosys from 10.000 Miles away is best

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No idea what you mean, since she was the person joining Giannis in China?

Also, serious question; are you a Greek journalist?

Yeah but her Diagnose was other in china or what?

Must be the air in china

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[Presence]

Yeah suki diagnosys from 10.000 Miles away is best

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No idea what you mean, since she was the person joining Giannis in China?

Also, serious question; are you a Greek journalist?

Yeah but her Diagnose was other in china or what?

Must be the air in china

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All right.

[Pachinko_]

Ι don't trust the Greek NT or the Greek Media or the Bucks. They are all full of BS. Greek BS is in your face BS, American BS is more sneaky and politically correct.

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[Dante80]

Why do you need to trust anyone other than Giannis in this?

The guy loves his NT, and wants to play every year there. The guy got injured, and cannot play this year (the risk of more injury is not acceptable). End of story.

[The Rodzilla]

the greek national team should relax because the real international tournament is a few years away

eurobasket is like the d league

[Pachinko_]

Eh, he's stuck between all the BS, he's in a strange position. He will say what he has to say, not necessarily what actually happened.

I only hope his knee is ok. I dont care about anything else.

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[turbostef]

Ι don't trust the Greek NT or the Greek Media or the Bucks. They are all full of BS. Greek BS is in your face BS, American BS is more sneaky and politically correct.

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Exactly. but hey we gave him 100m.

US logic



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[yannisk]

Nothing the Greek public loves more than a good conspiracy theory. Things are not very complicated Giannis has some discomfort on his knee, Bucks are naturally super cautious with their best player and adviced/pressed him to stop. At the end of the day, I trust Giannis, he risked his 100 million contract last year to be part of NT. If he says his knee hurts it's true. Maybe is not very serious but why risk aggravating it?

[thomchatt3rton]

Anybody care to outline this whole thing for someone who doesn't want to read through all the pages of this thread?
Just the facts- none of the theorizing or Greek-fan-vs-US-fan recriminations.

I read the wiretap article (and the Greek Federation accusing the Bucks of an "organized and well-staged" effort to keep him out seems funny as the Bucks are clearly not capable of anything "organized" or "well-staged").

[Chapter29]

Does he have time to fix that jumper of his now?

[greekbuck34]

Anybody care to outline this whole thing for someone who doesn't want to read through all the pages of this thread?
Just the facts- none of the theorizing or Greek-fan-vs-US-fan recriminations.

I read the wiretap article (and the Greek Federation accusing the Bucks of an "organized and well-staged" effort to keep him out seems funny as the Bucks are clearly not capable of anything "organized" or "well-staged").

1) Giannis: A good hearted kid that proved plenty of times before that he wants to play and succeed with the Greek NT.

2) Bucks: The team which owns him and doesn't care about Greece NT but respected Giannis' decisions so far.

3) Greek Federetion: Dirty old men(for decades) who only care about who will get the blame when another Greek NT mission eventually fails. They know we will 100% fail without Giannis and want to blame the Bucks or "naive" Giannis who believed them for their failure.


Giannis clearly wanted to play and he came ready to practice from the first official day of the Greek NT unlike other players who came later. He practiced normally for days until some pain on his knee start to bother him a day before the first friendly game. The Greek docs put him on a MRI exam which according to them was completely clear.
The Bucks became worried and called the Greek docs and advised them to deny Giannis running and jumping for 5 days in order to rest and protect his knee. The Greek docs agreed and said that Giannis shall be ok after that.
Giannis missed the two first friendlies in that span but after that he started to feel better and he was ready to play in the third friendly against Montenegro. Giannis played like a beast for 23-25 minutes and according to the coach he was angry when he was benched to rest like he wanted to play more. Sadly when his body calmed down the pain came back and he was taken out of the fourth friendly against Serbia.
The same day the news came out that he has to go on a trip in China as a NBA ambassador. Some greek reporters claimed that it wasn't and NBA thing and it was only a Giannis deal. In any way it was pre-arranged before the beginning of Greece NT's preparation.
The Greek Federation and the reports were saying that Giannis is OK and he will come back after that to participate in the remaining friendlies and the Eurobasket. The Bucks were so worried that they send to China their docs to put Giannis to their test. Giannis according to the Bucks and himself didn't pass the tests and he had major pain in plenty of basic moves.
The Bucks advised Giannis to drop out of this Eurobasket and Giannis finaly listened to them and made an instagram post with his decision.


You don't have to believe either the Bucks or the Greek Federation.
If you believe Giannis who claimed plenty of times that he has pain on his knee then the outcome of this charade is the proper one. He should protect his knee and rest.
If you don't believe Giannis for whatever reason you are free to accept or make any conspiration theory you want. Nobody can prove anything at the moment since we haven't even seen the "clear" MRI or the Bucks physical test results yet. Even if Giannis' knee was indeed clear of major injuries that doesn't means that he could play through pain without a real danger of making things clearly worse anyway.

[Ill-yasova]

I would just like to clarify that, yes, the NBA is indeed the center of the basketball universe.

Im sure this is a strange concept for the Greek posters on this board, but US NBA fans generally don't care about international basketball. Even the USA men's basketball team in the Olympics is kind of an afterthought to most of us.

[Prez]

Bad look for the Greek BBall Federation. They come off as incompetent, unprofessional, petty as hell, and not in line with what's best for Giannis long-term.

Funny seeing some dudes still in denial about this. The Bucks were right about this.

[yannisk]

Anybody care to outline this whole thing for someone who doesn't want to read through all the pages of this thread?

Basically Horst repeatedly kicked Giannis on the knee to ensure he would not play with the NT

[greekbuck34]

Bad look for the Greek BBall Federation. They come off as incompetent, unprofessional, petty as hell, and not in line with what's best for Giannis long-term.

Funny seeing some dudes still in denial about this. The Bucks were right about this.

This is the president of the Greek BBall Federation and also of FIBA Europe for more than 20 years long.
Bad look, incompetent/dirty, unprofessional, petty as hell all checks...
And some guys still want to believe the claims of this dirty old bag over what Giannis says.

[thomchatt3rton]

Anybody care to outline this whole thing for someone who doesn't want to read through all the pages of this thread?
Just the facts- none of the theorizing or Greek-fan-vs-US-fan recriminations.

I read the wiretap article (and the Greek Federation accusing the Bucks of an "organized and well-staged" effort to keep him out seems funny as the Bucks are clearly not capable of anything "organized" or "well-staged").

Spoiler:

1) Giannis: A good hearted kid that proved plenty of times before that he wants to play and succeed with the Greek NT.

2) Bucks: The team which owns him and doesn't care about Greece NT but respected Giannis' decisions so far.

3) Greek Federetion: Dirty old men(for decades) who only care about who will get the blame when another Greek NT mission eventually fails. They know we will 100% fail without Giannis and want to blame the Bucks or "naive" Giannis who believed them for their failure.


Giannis clearly wanted to play and he came ready to practice from the first official day of the Greek NT unlike other players who came later. He practiced normally for days until some pain on his knee start to bother him a day before the first friendly game. The Greek docs put him on a MRI exam which according to them was completely clear.
The Bucks became worried and called the Greek docs and advised them to deny Giannis running and jumping for 5 days in order to rest and protect his knee. The Greek docs agreed and said that Giannis shall be ok after that.
Giannis missed the two first friendlies in that span but after that he started to feel better and he was ready to play in the third friendly against Montenegro. Giannis played like a beast for 23-25 minutes and according to the coach he was angry when he was benched to rest like he wanted to play more. Sadly when his body calmed down the pain came back and he was taken out of the fourth friendly against Serbia.
The same day the news came out that he has to go on a trip in China as a NBA ambassador. Some greek reporters claimed that it wasn't and NBA thing and it was only a Giannis deal. In any way it was pre-arranged before the beginning of Greece NT's preparation.
The Greek Federation and the reports were saying that Giannis is OK and he will come back after that to participate in the remaining friendlies and the Eurobasket. The Bucks were so worried that they send to China their docs to put Giannis to their test. Giannis according to the Bucks and himself didn't pass the tests and he had major pain in plenty of basic moves.
The Bucks advised Giannis to drop out of this Eurobasket and Giannis finaly listened to them and made an instagram post with his decision.


You don't have to believe either the Bucks or the Greek Federation.
If you believe Giannis who claimed plenty of times that he has pain on his knee then the outcome of this charade is the proper one. He should protect his knee and rest.
If you don't believe Giannis for whatever reason you are free to accept or make any conspiration theory you want. Nobody can prove anything at the moment since we haven't even seen the "clear" MRI or the Bucks physical test results yet. Even if Giannis' knee was indeed clear of major injuries that doesn't means that he could play through pain without a real danger of making things clearly worse anyway.

Not necessarily "just the facts" but thanks greekbuck34- you're the man. I've always appreciated your posts and contributions here.

Couple thoughts:
1) The fact that there is controversy between the Bucks and the GNT about the injury would seem to suggest it truly is a more minor injury, right? With a more serious injury, there'd be less room for controversy, one would think.

2) Many US fans still have no concept about how important NT play is to international players. A bit ethnocentric. Obviously Giannis was right to shut it down though (which many Greek fans here said too, iirc).

3) Sh*tty spot for Giannis to be in. Kinda caught in the middle.

4) 6 weeks from now, none of this will matter.

[jute2003]

Weird.....

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