Projected Wins for 17-18 Season

BucksPackers · Post #1 » by **BucksPackers** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 2:52 pm

Here is espn's projections.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20225286/projected-records-win-totals-standings-every-nba-team-2017-18-season

Do you agree with 4th seed in the East. I think they are right on with that projection.

emunney · Post #2 » by **emunney** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 2:55 pm

Seems about right to me in terms of wins.

BucksPackers · Post #3 » by **BucksPackers** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:06 pm

47 wins would be great to see out of this young team! Especially with half the year missing Parker.

M-C-G · Post #4 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:18 pm

I was going to say 48, so this seems pretty close...damn the East is weak if Charlotte is the five seed. Also kind of hard to believe that Patterson is the difference between 51 wins this year and 43 wins next year for the Raps.

DingleJerry · Post #5 » by **DingleJerry** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:18 pm

My gut says under on 47. And I'd predict 43. But then my brain remembers how much worse the East got this offseason and I question. I'd still take under, would pretty much need everything to go right to get above 47. I doubt Vegas o/u is out yet so I didn't bother looking for it.

msiris · Post #6 » by **msiris** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:26 pm

No reason to believe they will be much better than last year. 42 wins. Kidd going to be Kidd.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #7 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:29 pm

I would have Toronto over us and I will take the under on wins. Bucks are still two years away from really being a threat in the East in my opinion.

Ron Swanson · Post #8 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:35 pm

I'm giving Brogdon and Thon until the end of their rookie contracts to evaluate their place in the pecking order, but if we're not making noise in the East this coming season, then you have to seriously re-assess whether or not someone like Middleton is actually a decent #2 or even #3 option on a contender. It's why I'm not at all opposed to packaging him plus Jabari for someone like Irving or another big move/talent upgrade.

Nowak008 · Post #9 » by **Nowak008** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:40 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'm giving Brogdon and Thon until the end of their rookie contracts to evaluate their place in the pecking order, but if we're not making noise in the East this coming season, then you have to seriously re-assess whether or not someone like Middleton is actually a decent #2 or even #3 option on a contender. It's why I'm not at all opposed to packaging him plus Jabari for someone like Irving or another big move/talent upgrade.

The problem with waiting till the end of the season is Mid will be on an expiring deal and we won't be able to get any value next year. We need make than assessment now.

Post #10 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:40 pm

The 46.9 wins projected by ESPN does sound about right. However it would be an indictment of the front office if they only finished with that many wins given the team arguably has one of the top 2 players in the game on the roster.

It would mean one or more of these things:

-Middleton is not as impactful as thought

-Thon is not a starting caliber center capable of 25mpg of good defensive play each night

-Kidd is not a good coach

-The contract money given to Delly, Telly, Monroe, Henson, Snell is truly dead money.

Bucksfan28 · Post #11 » by **Bucksfan28** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:42 pm

I think the most interesting part, pre-ASB, will be gathering a larger sample size for the Middleton and Parker swap. If they continue the trend from last year, with internal growth from Brogdon/Thon, and a hope that Telly shoots better, 46-50 wins is a fair expectation.

msiris · Post #12 » by **msiris** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:44 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'm giving Brogdon and Thon until the end of their rookie contracts to evaluate their place in the pecking order, but if we're not making noise in the East this coming season, then you have to seriously re-assess whether or not someone like Middleton is actually a decent #2 or even #3 option on a contender. It's why I'm not at all opposed to packaging him plus Jabari for someone like Irving or another big move/talent upgrade.

I have always said that Middleton is not a 2. 3 maybe.

smauss · Post #13 » by **smauss** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:44 pm

I had 44-45 in my head..

H2tObes · Post #14 » by **H2tObes** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:45 pm

Flirting with 50 seems about right

DingleJerry · Post #15 » by **DingleJerry** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:48 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:The 46.9 wins projected by ESPN does sound about right. However it would be an indictment of the front office if they only finished with that many wins given the team arguably has one of the top 2 players in the game on the roster.

It would mean one or more of these things:

-Middleton is not as impactful as thought

-Thon is not a starting caliber center capable of 25mpg of good defensive play each night

-Kidd is not a good coach

-The contract money given to Delly, Telly, Monroe, Henson, Snell is truly dead money.[

My guess is we'll be chalking it up to your last point and Middleton won't be the problem. I think we already know he's not #2 on a title team, so barring some kind of drastic change in play from him I don't see how having a player with his skillset possibly harms your team or that we'd drastically change our views on him. We all know what he is, a solid starting player with a key skillset in today's NBA. Heck, I'd probably go in reverse order here as the causes for them not being better and add in not having a legit attack PG before getting to Middleton.

tski1972 · Post #16 » by **tski1972** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:51 pm

I feel the team will be closer to 40 wins than 50 wins.

Siefer · Post #17 » by **Siefer** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:53 pm

Looks about right. The East got worse, we'll (hopefully) have a full season of healthy Middleton, and guys like Thon and Brogdon project to be better.

msiris · Post #18 » by **msiris** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:53 pm

No way we win 50 games

Wiscfan92 · Post #19 » by **Wiscfan92** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:58 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:The 46.9 wins projected by ESPN does sound about right. However it would be an indictment of the front office if they only finished with that many wins given the team arguably has one of the top 2 players in the game on the roster.

It would mean one or more of these things:

-Middleton is not as impactful as thought

-Thon is not a starting caliber center capable of 25mpg of good defensive play each night

-Kidd is not a good coach

-The contract money given to Delly, Telly, Monroe, Henson, Snell is truly dead money.

Top 2 in the East for sure, but I think even as Bucks fans we'd have to agree he's not the second best player in the league. I get the point you are making though, with his talent and another year of growth from the younger guys I hope we can get close to 50 wins this year.

crkone · Post #20 » by **crkone** » Thu Aug 3, 2017 4:04 pm

DingleJerry wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:The 46.9 wins projected by ESPN does sound about right. However it would be an indictment of the front office if they only finished with that many wins given the team arguably has one of the top 2 players in the game on the roster.

It would mean one or more of these things:

-Middleton is not as impactful as thought

-Thon is not a starting caliber center capable of 25mpg of good defensive play each night

-Kidd is not a good coach

-The contract money given to Delly, Telly, Monroe, Henson, Snell is truly dead money.

My guess is we'll be chalking it up to your last point and Middleton won't be the problem. I think we already know he's not #2 on a title team, so barring some kind of drastic change in play from him I don't see how having a player with his skillset possibly harms your team or that we'd drastically change our views on him. We all know what he is, a solid starting player with a key skillset in today's NBA. Heck, I'd probably go in reverse order here as the causes for them not being better and add in not having a legit attack PG before getting to Middleton.

Agreed. What we got out of Delly, Telly, and Henson last year was abysmal especially when you bring up their contracts. We got less than 2 wins (WS) out of Delly and Telly in a combined over 3000 minutes.