Jabari Thread (Rumors and Smoke everywhere, pg 90)

emunney · Post #1681 » by **emunney** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:23 pm

jschligs wrote:
emunney wrote:
skones wrote:
Except you're not actually missing half of work. That's something that commonly gets lost. If he's in the practice facility, that's work. If he's rehabbing, that's work. If he's doing public appearances, that's work.

Much harder work, tbh.

I'd consider it rehab instead of development. Big difference.

You'd consider rehab to be rehab? Not sure if I can let that blasphemy stand.

JEIS · Post #1682 » by **JEIS** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:38 pm

Bucksfan28 wrote:
JEIS wrote:
jschligs wrote:I'm sorry but you cannot compare Wiggins or Embiid to Parker. Embiid was clearly a once in a lifetime player when he played. Parker was good, but not that good. He had major flaws.

Wiggins actually played entire seasons.

Were there contracts based on what the did, or potential? You understand my point... you don't need to side step it.

And suffering a major knee injury twice hinders that potential...

No doubt. I am not saying we need max him out. I was saying a 13 to 15 mil a year keeps both sides relatively content. He is one of the top 5 best prospects we had over the past 15 years. If on a reasonable contract, with a new coach, new defensive scheme it could work out very well for both sides.

JEIS · Post #1683 » by **JEIS** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:49 pm

jschligs wrote:
JEIS wrote:
jschligs wrote:I'm sorry but you cannot compare Wiggins or Embiid to Parker. Embiid was clearly a once in a lifetime player when he played. Parker was good, but not that good. He had major flaws.

Wiggins actually played entire seasons.

Were there contracts based on what the did, or potential? You understand my point... you don't need to side step it.

A combination of both. When Embiid played he was an absolute monster and remarkable talent. When Wiggins played he was really really good, but lacked defensive skills, which they thought under Thib would improve. Neither of them had two ACL injuries.

Seriously, I get your point. I understand that contracts are given on potential. But Jabari's potential is incredibly lower than both Embiid and Wiggins. I will also say, Wiggins contract is horrible. It was way too high, but that's another story.

I agree. He is not as good of a prospect as Embiid and not as healthy as Wiggins, also he is not getting paid like either. My point is, NBA contracts are based of of talent and potential. Obviously the ACL injuries are an issue. He would likely be getting a max contract without them. Exum has been often injured and signed a 10 mil contract in the same market as Jabari.

If Jabari wishes the Bucks offered 18 mil... Exum just got 10 mi split the difference call it a day. Have him make more than Snell, less than Kris. Seems like a reasonable compromise.

Rockmaninoff · Post #1684 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:51 pm

I'd think about Jabari for Dudley/MKE 1st, especially if we need our pick back for a bigger trade.

skones · Post #1685 » by **skones** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:58 pm

jschligs wrote:
emunney wrote:
skones wrote:
Except you're not actually missing half of work. That's something that commonly gets lost. If he's in the practice facility, that's work. If he's rehabbing, that's work. If he's doing public appearances, that's work.

Much harder work, tbh.

I'd consider it rehab instead of development. Big difference.

Post #1686 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:08 pm

Seems straight forward. 2 years of rehab is not the same as 2 years of actual NBA game experience/development.

infobks · Post #1687 » by **infobks** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:08 pm

emunney · Post #1688 » by **emunney** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:15 pm

infobks wrote:.

Welcome to the board!

Brewhoopfan · Post #1689 » by **Brewhoopfan** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:22 pm

infobks wrote:.

I see your point and couldn't agree more.

skones · Post #1690 » by **skones** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:23 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Seems straight forward. 2 years of rehab is not the same as 2 years of actual NBA game experience/development.

What seems straight forward to me is that nobody said it was. You explicitly called it "work." Pivoting to development is an entirely different point and one that wasn't made, certainly not clearly.

Wooderson · Post #1691 » by **Wooderson** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:25 pm

infobks wrote:.

Wow this got really got the point across, full stop.

emunney · Post #1692 » by **emunney** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:41 pm

Post #1693 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:47 pm

FYI, new guy with a dup account (not someone from our board) posted something as a fact that was unsubstantiated and therefore removed. I'd be happy to discuss via PM with anyone. Thanks guys.

emunney · Post #1694 » by **emunney** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:58 pm

PM me if you want THE GOODS. I am the new BUNKPACK. Here is my PATEREON for new tasty SCOOPS

i do not have good or scoops

chonestown · Post #1695 » by **chonestown** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:05 pm

emunney wrote:PM me if you want THE GOODS. I am the new BUNKPACK. Here is my PATEREON for new tasty SCOOPS

i do not have good or scoops

Worthy of cloudsword funding

kid idioteque · Post #1696 » by **kid idioteque** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:24 pm

Honestly if you don't really want him back, can't find a sign and trade deal, and want to pursue other options, just rescind the QO and be done with this garbage already.

skones · Post #1697 » by **skones** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:33 pm

kid idioteque wrote:Honestly if you don't really want him back, can't find a sign and trade deal, and want to pursue other options, just rescind the QO and be done with this garbage already.

Rescinding the QO doesn't allow us to pursue any other options....

Matches Malone · Post #1698 » by **Matches Malone** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:57 am

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Pachinko_ · Post #1699 » by **Pachinko_** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:06 am

Matches Malone wrote:

Read on Twitter

Was gonna say "great to see Jabari working on the one skill he's already got" but really I don't know what he does with the other 99.99% of his time.

blazza18 · Post #1700 » by **blazza18** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:11 am

Pretty good PR work from Jabari.