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The Donte DiVincenzo Decision...

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Was Donte DiVincenzo the best player available at pick 17?

Absolutely YES
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Definitely NO
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38%
At the time of the draft, YES, but not in the few seasons.
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5%
At the time of the draft NO, but he will be in a few seasons.
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7%
Your Thon Maker poll was better.
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36%
 
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Post#21 » by Iheartfootball » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:08 pm

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weezybaby856 wrote:DDV was one of my favorite prospects. I fell in love with his game early in the season when I watched Nova and Xavier play. DDV can do everything and has room to e eventually be very good at doing everything. Hes tough and smart with very underrated athleticism and has that microwave ability to get hot and score in bunches. All aspects we lack in roster construction.

Was I hoping we took Lonnie Walker when he fell? Sure. But I was pretty dead set on Huerter or DDV being the pick so i think we did good getting 1 of those guys.

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We need more posts like this. This was very nice. I wish you were the President of Everything right now.
I cant tell if you're trolling me or not. I'm 100% Italian, of course I'm gonna love a kid named DiVincenzo, it's in my blood lol.

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I appreciate the thoughtful and informed take. Also, if he's like a microwave can he be Donte the Microwave Vincenzo? I loved Vinny the Microwave.
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Post#22 » by Bernman » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:11 pm

I voted your Thon poll was better because this is a very loaded question. Best player available is a really high standard. Like 15 guys were in the running. The other poll had choices covering bases.
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Post#23 » by mke_design » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:12 pm

I’m going to go with the Aaron Nagler approach and say let’s see them take the floor and actually play. That’s my take.


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Post#24 » by Rockmaninoff » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:13 pm

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Post#25 » by crkone » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:13 pm

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70% FT is a pretty significant red flag in regards to how well his shooting will translate. It's not a sure thing of course, but it is cause for concern.


Why do you think that? I'm just curious I haven't looked into how good FT% is as a predictor of three point ability translating, but on the surface it seems weird that standing there 15 feet away shooting a stationary shot is the best predictor for him not being able to make 23 foot shots while moving and being guarded.


I agree it seems kind of counter-intuitive but historically it's held pretty true. And it's not really that 3PT% in college isn't an indicator at all, only that FT% is also a pretty strong one. Take a look at Lonzo last year - 42% from three but 69% FT. Obviously that's an anecdote. Here's a pretty good article going further in to it. They also include a link to their (admittedly not-perfect) tool. I can't access it currently, but I believe it predicts DDV to be around a 33-34% 3PT shooter.


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Post#26 » by FrieAaron » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:15 pm

crkone wrote:
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Why do you think that? I'm just curious I haven't looked into how good FT% is as a predictor of three point ability translating, but on the surface it seems weird that standing there 15 feet away shooting a stationary shot is the best predictor for him not being able to make 23 foot shots while moving and being guarded.


I agree it seems kind of counter-intuitive but historically it's held pretty true. And it's not really that 3PT% in college isn't an indicator at all, only that FT% is also a pretty strong one. Take a look at Lonzo last year - 42% from three but 69% FT. Obviously that's an anecdote. Here's a pretty good article going further in to it. They also include a link to their (admittedly not-perfect) tool. I can't access it currently, but I believe it predicts DDV to be around a 33-34% 3PT shooter.


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36.46% predicted.


OK, so not too shabby. That's good because I think his success is very much tied into how well his shot translates.
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Post#27 » by Bernman » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:16 pm

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Damn, that's hard to hear. Some more organizational incompetence, unfortunately. That was the ideal scenario I envisioned; Atlanta coveting a player in our spot and offering us to trade down for their package of two first round picks. We could have had Spellman at 30, who was actually my top option at 17 even. All these types of gaffes have added up to the Bucks having a dearth of depth the last few years.
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Post#28 » by Frank Nova » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:17 pm

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We need more posts like this. This was very nice. I wish you were the President of Everything right now.
I cant tell if you're trolling me or not. I'm 100% Italian, of course I'm gonna love a kid named DiVincenzo, it's in my blood lol.

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I'm being 100% sincere, my friend. :)
I appreciate that then lol. I know it's very "non Bucks" to be optimistic but this is a different case for me personally. I genuinely liked the player we took and it's someone I gave a little extra attention to throughout the process because of how impressed I was with him. If DDV went a few picks later or what not, I would've said "love the pick". I'm a legit fan of the player, not just because my favorite team took him, that's just a bonus for me.

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Post#29 » by FrieAaron » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:17 pm

Could someone break down that tweet for me? I have a hard time seeing them here. Something about we could have drafted down and still had DDV? Is this is a solid source?
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Post#30 » by mke_design » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:17 pm

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Lol. This organization sucks.


How does this reflect poorly on us? Woj tipping picks caused the Hawks to nix a deal.


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Post#31 » by H2tObes » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:19 pm

Yeah, I'm a bit confused here. Woj and Sham spoil every pick 10 minutes before they come out, don't they?
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Post#32 » by mke_design » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:20 pm

FrieAaron wrote:Could someone break down that tweet for me? I have a hard time seeing them here. Something about we could have drafted down and still had DDV? Is this is a solid source?

It’s from the Hawks GM. He said the tipped picks via twitter and leaking caused him to nix it.


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Post#33 » by Bernman » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:21 pm

mke_design wrote:How does this reflect poorly on us? Woj tipping picks caused the Hawks to nix a deal.


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We recklessly allowed him to have that information before it was absolutely necessary. They should have held the info close to the vest until the end. That was my personal suggestion to leverage teams picking below us, especially ATL w/ the two picks, to offer us a deal if they were targeting specific players.
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Post#34 » by Matches Malone » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:23 pm

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Lol. This organization sucks.


How does this reflect poorly on us? Woj tipping picks caused the Hawks to nix a deal.


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You make the deal before you let it be known who you take. I don't understand why you would make your pick known while you're negotiating the deal. Woj doesn't have a crystal ball. Someone had to have told him within our organization while we were still negotiating a trade with Atlanta.
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Post#35 » by mke_design » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:23 pm

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mke_design wrote:How does this reflect poorly on us? Woj tipping picks caused the Hawks to nix a deal.


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We recklessly allowed him to have that information before it was absolutely necessary. They should have held the info close to the vest until the end. That was my personal suggestion to leverage teams picking below us, especially ATL w/ the two picks, to offer us a deal if they were targeting specific players.


Weird. Sounds like a lot of teams are reckless then.


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Post#36 » by mke_design » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:24 pm

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How does this reflect poorly on us? Woj tipping picks caused the Hawks to nix a deal.


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You make the deal before you let it be known who you take. I don't understand why you would make your pick known while you're negotiating the deal. Woj doesn't have a crystal ball. Someone had to have told him within our organization while we were still negotiating a trade with Atlanta.


Yet every team has their teams pick tipped.


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Post#37 » by Iheartfootball » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:26 pm

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mke_design wrote:How does this reflect poorly on us? Woj tipping picks caused the Hawks to nix a deal.


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We recklessly allowed him to have that information before it was absolutely necessary. They should have held the info close to the vest until the end. That was my personal suggestion to leverage teams picking below us, especially ATL w/ the two picks, to offer us a deal if they were targeting specific players.


When you're trading in assets and trying to maximize those all you have is information. When someone else gets that intel you lose value.

You would think hedge fund owners would understand that simple financial concept. It should be a strength.
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Post#38 » by ajb905 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:27 pm

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This front office inspires no confidence. They tried to keep things close to the vest by closing off workouts. But it seemed like DDV was heavily tied to them the last 48 hours. That they were having discussions about a trade down and that the info leaked causing it to fall apart is embarrassing.
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Post#40 » by MVP2110 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:28 pm

I don't get why it's a big deal considering every team has their picks tipped. Even the best run ones.
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