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Post#81 » by ajb905 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:54 pm

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Because every single pick leaked.


So what? Is there some rule requiring the Bucks leak the pick?



You aren't understanding how the picks get leaked.

Between the call into the league office, the submission, the card printing, the call to the agent, the information is leaked.

Because every single pick is leaked, it comes back to a breakdown in the team and the league and the agent

Everybody in the Bucks war room could be a sealed room with no phones and it still gets leaked


Bucks are on the clock I'm sure there are a bunch of things happening. People have the process you mention lined up, likely with DDV info going to be submitted by person X. But are they actually calling the league office right away?

If they are having active discussions with the Hawks about trading back, then to me it makes no sense to be telling the league office (or telling DDV agent what is happening, etc.) who they are picking. They saw what was happening with Woj and Shams announcing picks. Look at Woj and the SGA/Mile Bridges trade. That didn't get blown up like the Bucks did. The Bucks look culpable to me and we shouldn't just shrug and say its the media/league's fault.
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Post#82 » by sdn40 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:55 pm

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Matches Malone wrote:I wouldn't call a 2nd round pick "meager" when that's been the strength of our drafting the last few years. I think there weren't many opportunities to get a 2nd round pick this year more than most because of that Bulls/Warriors debacle last year.


You are conveniently ignoring about 10 other aspects of the trade scenario. The Bucks don't know who the Hawks are trading up for, you don't know the Bucks board, or the value at that point.
You are assuming way too many things


I'm not assuming anything because I wasn't even talking about the specific Hawks trade. Just the fact that 2nd round picks haven't been "meager" for us in the past and that it seemed more difficult to buy back in this year than any other year. I don't know where the Hawks thing came into play with your post?


Because you don't make a trade for a second round pick and risk losing the guy you want with your first round pick, depending on how your board looks
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Post#83 » by xTitan » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:57 pm

Connect the dots, not that difficult, Phoenix was going to pick DD, but made the trade instead, the Bucks were willing to trade the pick when they thought DD was gone.....now the sad part, had the Bucks traded back they probably could've have still gotten DD, plus a second round pick.
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Post#84 » by Diggr14 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:58 pm

midranger wrote:It may be time to clear that war room of any cell phone that could be used by anyone of these idiots.



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Post#85 » by wichmae » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:58 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:

Because every single pick leaked.


So what? Is there some rule requiring the Bucks leak the pick?



You aren't understanding how the picks get leaked.

Between the call into the league office, the submission, the card printing, the call to the agent, the information is leaked.

Because every single pick is leaked, it comes back to a breakdown in the team and the league and the agent

Everybody in the Bucks war room could be a sealed room with no phones and it still gets leaked

Media has access to the conference call. Most Twitter leaks come from that call before the on stage announcement. Theres literally nothing an NBA franchise can do to stop that process unless the NBA restricts access to who can hear that draft conference call.
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Post#86 » by sdn40 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:58 pm

xTitan wrote:Connect the dots, not that difficult, Phoenix was going to pick DD, but made the trade instead, the Bucks were willing to trade the pick when they thought DD was gone.....now the sad part, had the Bucks traded back they probably could've have still gotten DD, plus a second round pick.


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Post#87 » by humanrefutation » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:01 pm

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Were talking about a deal - nowhere does it say a deal was in place - big difference


Obviously, nothing is set in stone until the trade is submitted to the league office - which it wouldn't be until the Bucks picked whoever the Hawks wanted at 17. But ultimately, that distinction is irrelevant to this scenario because leaking the pick effectively killed the trade even if the Bucks wanted to go forward with it.


Or the pick was leaked because the Bucks decided not to go forward with it - or 10 other scenarios.


That directly contradicts what Schlenk said, though. If you're saying "I won't believe this because Schlenk might be lying," then sure, I can't object to that possibility.

For instance teams call players all the time and say they are going to draft them. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.


I'm sure they do, and if the Bucks did so in this case and DDV/agent leaked it, the Bucks **** up. They don't have to call anyone until they actually decide to make the pick, especially if they're actively considering trading it. And in this scenario, by leaking it to DDV/agent, they cost themselves an asset (even a minor one at that).
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Post#88 » by wichmae » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:01 pm

Why even say this publicly? Who truly gains from saying something like this thats just so absolutely ridiculous.
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Post#89 » by humanrefutation » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:02 pm

wichmae wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:
So what? Is there some rule requiring the Bucks leak the pick?



You aren't understanding how the picks get leaked.

Between the call into the league office, the submission, the card printing, the call to the agent, the information is leaked.

Because every single pick is leaked, it comes back to a breakdown in the team and the league and the agent

Everybody in the Bucks war room could be a sealed room with no phones and it still gets leaked

Media has access to the conference call. Most Twitter leaks come from that call before the on stage announcement. Theres literally nothing an NBA franchise can do to stop that process unless the NBA restricts access to who can hear that draft conference call.


Huh? Are you under the mistaken impression that teams are required to tell their colleagues on this conference call who they're planning to pick before they actually submit it?
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Post#90 » by Gam » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:05 pm

This whole thing is literally a non-story, leave it this board to make a mountain out of what isn't even a molehill.

1) For a pick to be "leaked" it has to be first finalized in the conference-call, this is where Woj or whomever gets their "leaks" from, the actual picks are finalized 5+ minutes before Silver ever gets on the stand.

2) That means that we selected DDV before before the "leak" happened

3) That means we were for-all-intents-and-purposes rejecting whatever offer the Hawks were offering us to move up 2 spots. (if you want to criticize the organization it'd be for rejecting this trade, but who knows it could have been 17 for 19 and a 2022 protected 2nd or some other terrible deal)

Honestly this thread should be locked, or at least moved to another thread, it's embarrassing.
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Post#91 » by Gam » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:07 pm

humanrefutation wrote:
wichmae wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:

You aren't understanding how the picks get leaked.

Between the call into the league office, the submission, the card printing, the call to the agent, the information is leaked.

Because every single pick is leaked, it comes back to a breakdown in the team and the league and the agent

Everybody in the Bucks war room could be a sealed room with no phones and it still gets leaked

Media has access to the conference call. Most Twitter leaks come from that call before the on stage announcement. Theres literally nothing an NBA franchise can do to stop that process unless the NBA restricts access to who can hear that draft conference call.


Huh? Are you under the mistaken impression that teams are required to tell their colleagues on this conference call who they're planning to pick before they actually submit it?


The call is where the pick is submitted to the league office. So yes they are. There's a reason why all 30 teams' picks get "leaked".
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Post#92 » by wichmae » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:09 pm

humanrefutation wrote:
wichmae wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:

You aren't understanding how the picks get leaked.

Between the call into the league office, the submission, the card printing, the call to the agent, the information is leaked.

Because every single pick is leaked, it comes back to a breakdown in the team and the league and the agent

Everybody in the Bucks war room could be a sealed room with no phones and it still gets leaked

Media has access to the conference call. Most Twitter leaks come from that call before the on stage announcement. Theres literally nothing an NBA franchise can do to stop that process unless the NBA restricts access to who can hear that draft conference call.


Huh? Are you under the mistaken impression that teams are required to tell their colleagues on this conference call who they're planning to pick before they actually submit it?

No. IM telling you exactly how the process works. The "media projections which the story referenced that are posted on Twitter directly come from what happens during the conference call. The actual draft where players are selected happens in a conference call. Where every single NBA team is part of. Once the pick is made in that conference call its relayed to the NBA rep at the draft where they fill out that card. The leaks directly come from what is said and happens during that conference call. The clock and facade you watch on TV isnt anywhere in the ball park of what actually happens during the draft. That clock isnt the same clock/timer thats in the call.
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Post#93 » by humanrefutation » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:10 pm

Gam wrote:
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wichmae wrote:Media has access to the conference call. Most Twitter leaks come from that call before the on stage announcement. Theres literally nothing an NBA franchise can do to stop that process unless the NBA restricts access to who can hear that draft conference call.


Huh? Are you under the mistaken impression that teams are required to tell their colleagues on this conference call who they're planning to pick before they actually submit it?


The call is where the pick is submitted to the league office. So yes they are. There's a reason why all 30 teams' picks get "leaked".


Sure, they might know that once the pick is submitted. But you're making two flawed assumptions:

1. Woj/Shams/Givony got this leak from the conference call, instead of another source (the NBA media is trying to scoop one another, obviously).
2. The Bucks were **** around with the Hawks discussing a trade after they already submitted their pick to the league office that effectively mooted that trade.

Both of those scenarios effectively make Schlenk a liar - which as I've said multiple times, is a possibility.
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Post#94 » by wichmae » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:12 pm

Gam wrote:
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wichmae wrote:Media has access to the conference call. Most Twitter leaks come from that call before the on stage announcement. Theres literally nothing an NBA franchise can do to stop that process unless the NBA restricts access to who can hear that draft conference call.


Huh? Are you under the mistaken impression that teams are required to tell their colleagues on this conference call who they're planning to pick before they actually submit it?


The call is where the pick is submitted to the league office. So yes they are. There's a reason why all 30 teams' picks get "leaked".

The call at the physical draft isnt restricted to league employees either. Media members are in that room too when picks are announced on the conference call.
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Post#95 » by dbrodz7 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:12 pm

Cliff's notes version: the picks aren't actually leaked ahead of time, they're announced to the league reps and end up on Twitter before the TV broadcast announces them.
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Post#96 » by humanrefutation » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:14 pm

wichmae wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:
wichmae wrote:Media has access to the conference call. Most Twitter leaks come from that call before the on stage announcement. Theres literally nothing an NBA franchise can do to stop that process unless the NBA restricts access to who can hear that draft conference call.


Huh? Are you under the mistaken impression that teams are required to tell their colleagues on this conference call who they're planning to pick before they actually submit it?

No. IM telling you exactly how the process works. The "media projections which the story referenced that are posted on Twitter directly come from what happens during the conference call. The actual draft where players are selected happens in a conference call. Where every single NBA team is part of. Once the pick is made in that conference call its relayed to the NBA rep at the draft where they fill out that card. The leaks directly come from what is said and happens during that conference call. The clock and facade you watch on TV isnt anywhere in the ball park of what actually happens during the draft. That clock isnt the same clock/timer thats in the call.


I know that leaks can happen this way. I proposed as much on the first page of this thread. However, you're failing to understand that leaks don't just happen this way.

Let's assume that the you're right - Shams/Woj got this from hearing the pick on the conference call. Just think through the consequence of your argument. Effectively, you're saying that the Bucks turned in DDV while they're on the phone with the Hawks discussing a trade that involved pick 17. They were literally discussing a trade that was mooted once the pick was turned in. How does that make sense?
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Post#97 » by emunney » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:14 pm

wichmae wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:
So what? Is there some rule requiring the Bucks leak the pick?



You aren't understanding how the picks get leaked.

Between the call into the league office, the submission, the card printing, the call to the agent, the information is leaked.

Because every single pick is leaked, it comes back to a breakdown in the team and the league and the agent

Everybody in the Bucks war room could be a sealed room with no phones and it still gets leaked

Media has access to the conference call. Most Twitter leaks come from that call before the on stage announcement. Theres literally nothing an NBA franchise can do to stop that process unless the NBA restricts access to who can hear that draft conference call.


That's not really a pre-pick leak, though. That's a pre-announcement leak. That kind of leak doesn't get Schlenk info he can use against us, because we've already moved in another direction.
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Post#98 » by Wooderson » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:16 pm

dbrodz7 wrote:Cliff's notes version: the picks aren't actually leaked ahead of time, they're announced to the league reps and end up on Twitter before the TV broadcast announces them.


Wouldn't Schlenk be aware of when it's announced in that setting? Meaning what he saw via media happened before that announcement?
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Post#99 » by wichmae » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:16 pm

humanrefutation wrote:
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Huh? Are you under the mistaken impression that teams are required to tell their colleagues on this conference call who they're planning to pick before they actually submit it?


The call is where the pick is submitted to the league office. So yes they are. There's a reason why all 30 teams' picks get "leaked".


Sure, they might know that once the pick is submitted. But you're making two flawed assumptions:

1. Woj/Shams/Givony got this leak from the conference call, instead of another source (the NBA media is trying to scoop one another, obviously).
2. The Bucks were **** around with the Hawks discussing a trade after they already submitted their pick to the league office that effectively mooted that trade.

Both of those scenarios effectively make Schlenk a liar - which as I've said multiple times, is a possibility.

Thats literally where the Tweeted picks come from. It happened the entire night with every single pick. All Woj did was tweet out the pick that was made in the call. 9 times out of 10 there is a staffer from a network listening to the call and they inform whichever media member they want to relay the info too and they tweet literally whats going to happen 3 mins later out. The NFL revised its policy a few years ago to fine media members who tweeted pick made in the call or pull their access to the call. In light of all this idiocy I wouldnt be surprised to see the NBA adopt some of that as well.
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Post#100 » by HaroldinGMinor » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:16 pm

I guess my question is: How old is Thon Maker?
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