Giannis Thread - MVP

[TroyD92]

I liked Sexton out of the draft, but woof.

[Jez2983]

Harden has officially broken the game.

It's like how Giannis looks on our team metrics, except Harden is doing it with the NBA.

[Chad34]

Harden has officially broken the game.

It's like how Giannis looks on our team metrics, except Harden is doing it with the NBA.

except harden takes 35 shots in a game. I'm pretty sure giannis would match or surpass if he had that kind usage.

[dbrodz7]

It's not the just the extra shots Harden gets he also plays more minutes. Who is the MVP per 36, I don't think Harden has broken anything:

Giannis - 59.0 FG%, 69.6 FT%, 28.5 points, 13.6 rebounds, 6.6 assists, 1.4 steals, 1.7 blocks, 4.5 turnovers
Harden - 43.7 FG%, 85.3 FT%, 32.7 points, 5.7 rebounds, 8.3 assists, 2.0 steals, 0.6 blocks, 5.4 turnovers

[Chad34]

Harden has officially broken the game.

It's like how Giannis looks on our team metrics, except Harden is doing it with the NBA.

except harden takes 35 shots in a game. I'm pretty sure giannis would match or surpass if he had that kind usage.

giannis rarely gets even 20 shots a game. in his last 10 games he's shot 25, 8, 11, 17, 20, 21,12,13,13,21.
Harden's last 10- 35, 32, 19,25,26,35,34,23,18,31. He also averages 4 more minutes per game. you can also add the lack of free throw shooting Giannis receives. one more thing Giannis is the superior defender.

[emunney]

It's a regular season award and playing more minutes at similar production rates does make you more valuable. I wouldn't lose any sleep if Harden won MVP only to look tired af in the playoffs again.

[blazza18]

Harden's efficiency with his insane usage is getting a little overlooked here. And let's be honest the reason why Giannis has had games with low shot totals is cause he's still not comfortable shooting yet.

[StickeeFingaz]

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere but Ben Detrick is such a hack. He soooo badly wants to put Simmons in the same category as Giannis. He writes an article on the Ringer about Simmons and just couldn't resist taking a shot at Giannis:

Another way Simmons could placate the howling mobs would be to catapult a few 3s like Milwaukee star Giannis Antetokounmpo, whose 17.6 percent rate from deep has the graceful touch of a Plymouth Voyager tumbling down a mountain. But Simmons is an uncompromising artist. To him, the notion of taking lousy, performative shots instead of creating better ones must seem obscenely dumb. Maybe he’s an unemotional ice queen who would rather be IG-Storying Chateau Marmont’s shakshuka with Jonathan Cheban, but he’s right.

[Chad34]

Harden's efficiency with his insane usage is getting a little overlooked here. And let's be honest the reason why Giannis has had games with low shot totals is cause he's still not comfortable shooting yet.

Probably some truth to Giannis being uncomfortable, but i think that has been due to the new system. Giannis routinely had games like the other night against toronto last year, and he was shooting with more confidence by the end of the year. Also, I would'nt consider high 30-low 40% to be very efficient. Harden's last 10- 13-35,13-32,8-19,10-25,11-26,15-35,12-34,7-23,10-18,14-31. that's some terrible shooting percentages considering the last ten games is where harden's been getting hyped up like he's the best to ever play the game. no thanks, he's just a chucker.

[Chad34]

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere but Ben Detrick is such a hack. He soooo badly wants to put Simmons in the same category as Giannis. He writes an article on the Ringer about Simmons and just couldn't resist taking a shot at Giannis:

Another way Simmons could placate the howling mobs would be to catapult a few 3s like Milwaukee star Giannis Antetokounmpo, whose 17.6 percent rate from deep has the graceful touch of a Plymouth Voyager tumbling down a mountain. But Simmons is an uncompromising artist. To him, the notion of taking lousy, performative shots instead of creating better ones must seem obscenely dumb. Maybe he’s an unemotional ice queen who would rather be IG-Storying Chateau Marmont’s shakshuka with Jonathan Cheban, but he’s right.

what an idiot

[blazza18]

Harden's last 10- 13-35,13-32,8-19,10-25,11-26,15-35,12-34,7-23,10-18,14-31. that's some terrible shooting percentages considering the last ten games is where harden's been getting hyped up like he's the best to ever play the game. no thanks, he's just a chucker.

Last 10 games. 42 usg%, 42 PPG, 60.6 TS%, 9 assists, 114 off rating.

I feel like a way to prop Giannis up as a candidate is to not downplay what other dudes are doing.

[greekbuck34]

Nobody can deny that Harden was an alien for a month or so. Giannis is still ahead though not because he was playing on par with Harden in December( even if he was also amazing) but because he was at MVP level from the beginning of the season.

[Aaron It Out]

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Giannis needs to pose as a 12 year old kid and start trash talking Durant.

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[blazza18]

Nobody can deny that Harden was an alien for a month or so. Giannis is still ahead though not because he was playing on par with Harden in December( even if he was also amazing) but because he was at MVP level from the beginning of the season.

This is where I'm at for George.

Harden was really good before December. He was just a flame thrower in December and his team started to win more.

[emunney]

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere but Ben Detrick is such a hack. He soooo badly wants to put Simmons in the same category as Giannis. He writes an article on the Ringer about Simmons and just couldn't resist taking a shot at Giannis:

Another way Simmons could placate the howling mobs would be to catapult a few 3s like Milwaukee star Giannis Antetokounmpo, whose 17.6 percent rate from deep has the graceful touch of a Plymouth Voyager tumbling down a mountain. But Simmons is an uncompromising artist. To him, the notion of taking lousy, performative shots instead of creating better ones must seem obscenely dumb. Maybe he’s an unemotional ice queen who would rather be IG-Storying Chateau Marmont’s shakshuka with Jonathan Cheban, but he’s right.

Honestly think it's more offensive to uncompromising artists. Ben Simmons doesn't shoot jump shots because Ben Simmons doesn't understand why you need to shoot jump shots. If he could figure out a way to make his body stop rotating he might even be ok at it eventually.

[GiAnt GOAT]

Giannis is an amazing player but his shooting flaw is trully holding him back. I am sure that deep down, he knows that as well. I am not saying that he desperately needs it or something. We are blessed to have him as he is and he is a superstar and all, but provided that he somehow implements a respectable shot, he instantly becomes a generational player (,well maybe not LeBron but something close).

[skones]

The wild thing is that if you just removed those three point attempts like dickwad is suggesting, Giannis would be at an eye popping 67.9TS%. That's an absolutely crazy number.

[Plossum]

I think the Giannis jumpshot issue is overrated. As long as the guys around him can bomb away at a decent clip then it’s less of an issue. Of course it’d be great if he could shoot at 35% or so but it’s not fatal if he doesn’t get there.

In saying that, it’ll be interesting to see how we attack defences like Boston and Indy come playoff time given how well they wall off Giannis’s drives and limit his transition opportunities.

[Jez2983]

I think the Giannis jumpshot issue is overrated. As long as the guys around him can bomb away at a decent clip then it’s less of an issue. Of course it’d be great if he could shoot at 35% or so but it’s not fatal if he doesn’t get there.

In saying that, it’ll be interesting to see how we attack defences like Boston and Indy come playoff time given how well they wall off Giannis’s drives and limit his transition opportunities.

He's genuinely taking over and carrying the team on offense for stretches now. I'm not sure he's really done that until this season. I've seen him have times where he makes a couple of plays on each end in a stretch but now he's good enough to just go to work possession after possession.

[Pachinko_]

Can someone explain the math to me, because I might be wrong.

How much does Giannis need to shoot from those wide open 3s to make sense for the defense NOT to sag off from him and risk giving him the lane? Because I'd still sag off him even if he was shooting 35%. **** I might even sag off if he's shooting 40%. Because 67.9% X 2 points is still better than 40% X 3 points. And it's not even that simple.

What do you get when Giannis puts the ball on the floor and takes that first step? Worst case scenario is he gets called for a charge, or some kind of miss or turnover. Those things happen what, 10% of the time? 20%? The other 80% is either 2 points, or 2 points + a foul, or a pass to a wide open Khris/Brog/Snell. How much are these guys from 3 when wide open?

Giannis can shoot whatever % he likes from 3, I'm still sagging off than risk all those other things happening. Remember this is not Durant driving to the basket with his spaghetti arms. It's not even Westbrook or Simmons. This is essentially Shaq with handles and a passing vision. No way I'm risking that thing driving into my paint.