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[drew881]

Am I the only one who thinks Lopez > Gasol?

Can talk me into Conley being better than Bledsoe but given where we are at I'm perfectly fine with keeping Bledsoe past this season anyway.

Brook Lopez is certainly better for this team than Gasol. He is averaging 2 blocks per game (Gasol 1.3), and hits a higher 3pt percentage. But what is most important is that Brook is hitting that 3pt percentage from the second longest range in the country, something like 27 feet out, second only to board favorite Trae Young. Lopez sucks one tall ass player off the court practically, because he can hit it over smaller guys with a hand in his face. Lopez doesn't play as many effective minutes as Gasol, isn't as healthy, and isn't as mobile, but I think he is more valuable. Gasol is a better rebounder, but we don't need that.

[blazza18]

Am I the only one who thinks Lopez > Gasol?

Think this is way more coaching/situation related than Brook actually becoming a better player than Marc Gasol. I like Brook a lot but feel pretty confident a motivated Gasol on a contender w/ Bud would be more valuable than Brook.

I think some of that is true. But Brook is also younger, has a better contract situation, is our best high volume 3pt shooter, is one of the better guys in the league at defending the paint, and a far better chemistry fit because he knows his role.

[FrieAaron]

Am I the only one who thinks Lopez > Gasol?

Can talk me into Conley being better than Bledsoe but given where we are at I'm perfectly fine with keeping Bledsoe past this season anyway.

I think they both may be marginal upgrades, but for the increased cost I'm not sure it's worth it. They're also each slightly older.

[Prez]

I think some of that is true. But Brook is also younger, has a better contract situation, is our best high volume 3pt shooter, is one of the better guys in the league at defending the paint, and a far better chemistry fit because he knows his role.

Yeah just talking player right now, not contract. I can't look at Brook's last season compared to this season under Bud/alongside Giannis and not think Marc would be maximized, and his ceiling is sooo much higher. He's also a shooter, a way better passer, better defender, and I don't see him as some gotta get mine type disruptive player.

[ReasonablySober]

**** no to paying Conley $34 million. Bledsoe has been feasting at the rim, something we need since the rest of the team is content to space the floor. He's been an All-NBA defender, he's younger, and he's a lock to be cheaper next season.

GTFOH with with Conley.

As for Gasol, I'd give up a 2nd and some minor asset like Thon and Snell filler. He'd be worth taking on as a 24 MPG guy for the playoffs.

[bizarro]

I really don’t want a thing to do w Gasol and Conley w their salaries, age, and what Memphis is probably demanding in return. I like both players. On this Bucks team? Don’t see the fit.

Gasol is a terrific fit and if he's going to opt out as rumored, his salary and age past this year doesn't really matter. Point is, we got Lopez and those two can't really share the floor. That is the only reason why I'd be against trading for Gasol.

Well, ‘don’t see the fit’ was implying: we have Lopez and he is so important to what the Bucks do. And, yeah, they don’t fit.

[bizarro]

**** no to paying Conley $34 million. Bledsoe has been feasting at the rim, something we need since the rest of the team is content to space the floor. He's been an All-NBA defender, he's younger, and he's a lock to be cheaper next season.

GTFOH with with Conley.

As for Gasol, I'd give up a 2nd and some minor asset like Thon and Snell filler. He'd be worth taking on as a 24 MPG guy for the playoffs.

Bledsoe’s efficiency at the rim is utterly bonkers. And, yeah, his perimeter d is tenacious. Conley at that price, at 32, coming off a blown achilles? Yikes.

[Ill-yasova]

The Lakers or Knicks are definitely going to make a panic move for one or both of these guys. Hard pass for me. Brook is a better fit for our team and Conley isn’t even an improvement over Bledsoe while being way more expensive.

[ReasonablySober]

It's hard for me to believe they can dump the Conley contract unless they give up significant assets as well. Big markets with cap space won't screw themselves like that. Bad teams looking to tank don't need a quality guard helping them win a bit while costing a ton of money. The only teams I can see it with are teams looking to win right now, no significant PG of note, and no reason to think they'll be signing a quality FA.

So he's gonna go to Indiana.

[blazza18]

Yeah just talking player right now, not contract. I can't look at Brook's last season compared to this season under Bud/alongside Giannis and not think Marc would be maximized, and his ceiling is sooo much higher. He's also a shooter, a way better passer, better defender, and I don't see him as some gotta get mine type disruptive player.

All valid reasons. I just think Lopez is a big part of what we are and moving him for an older guy who might not be a better fit is a detriment to the team. It's probably more of a move to look at in the offseason. And even then given his age I'd probably pass.

[Prez]

All valid reasons. I just think Lopez is a big part of what we are and moving him for an older guy who might not be a better fit is a detriment to the team. It's probably more of a move to look at in the offseason. And even then given his age I'd probably pass.

Yeah I'm not interested in a Marc deal unless it's some no-brainer garbage package from us. Just don't think Brook is a better player than Marc at all nor do I think the fit would be an issue.

[drew881]

**** no to paying Conley $34 million. Bledsoe has been feasting at the rim, something we need since the rest of the team is content to space the floor. He's been an All-NBA defender, he's younger, and he's a lock to be cheaper next season.

GTFOH with with Conley.

As for Gasol, I'd give up a 2nd and some minor asset like Thon and Snell filler. He'd be worth taking on as a 24 MPG guy for the playoffs.

Agree with most of the stuff here except for the bolded part unless you mean a lock to be cheaper than Conley.

[ReasonablySober]

**** no to paying Conley $34 million. Bledsoe has been feasting at the rim, something we need since the rest of the team is content to space the floor. He's been an All-NBA defender, he's younger, and he's a lock to be cheaper next season.

GTFOH with with Conley.

As for Gasol, I'd give up a 2nd and some minor asset like Thon and Snell filler. He'd be worth taking on as a 24 MPG guy for the playoffs.

Agree with most of the stuff here except for the bolded part unless you mean a lock to be cheaper than Conley.

Yes, a lock to be cheaper than Conley.

[buckbeer]

For me, Brook is a better defensive player and shot blocker than Gasol, not to mention better 3pt shooter. But I wouldn't mind trading Middleton, Thon and Ersan for Marc Gasol.

Great length with the starting lineup of Bledsoe, Brogdon, Giannis, Gasol and Lopez, and we can rotate Lopez with Gasol at the center instead of Ersan and Thon.

[LuessiT]

So I've done some math regarding the LAL cap situation and Middleton. Ingram and Ball look less and less like prime assets and their hopes of being able to trade for AD for a package with those as a headline look slim. They don't want to compromise their cap space in a trade to win now. Middleton accomplishes that. His cap hold of just 19m is just low enough that if you send out Ball, Ingram and Wagner (who is rumored to be unwanted in LA) you can get a 30% max (no 35% max so no Durant) there + then resign Middleton.
Now I neither like Ingram nor Ball, but we supposedly were decently high on Wagner and Ball.
So basicly we would be looking for a third (and fourth) team to give us/LAL assets for either Ingram or Ball. In terms of of assets to LAL those would have to be salary neutral, so no picks before 2020. Just a train of thought.

[jmart762]

Would you guys give up any one of DDV, Brown or Wilson in a trade for Gasol?

I'd include DDV pretty much any way. They need a young guard prospect.

I'd include Brown depending on what I know about Middleton's future.

Wilson would be really hard to trade, but I consider it if they ate Snell and Ersan.

Something like Snell, Ersan, Thon and one of these three would be enough for me. Call it DDV and send it to league offices.

Green would be good to steal from them too somehow.

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[skones]

The gravity Lopez offers right now is too valuable for me to consider tinkering that just because. He's getting up six and a half triples per contest and hitting them at 38% clip. Even IF slotted in that type of role, I have a really hard time seeing Gasol matching that shooting prowess and then you've got to worry about whether Gasol starts demanding the ball in certain spots.

Brook and Giannis genuinely seem to like each other, I think he's got a bigger hand in our chemistry than some may realize.

[drew881]

So I've done some math regarding the LAL cap situation and Middleton. Ingram and Ball look less and less like prime assets and their hopes of being able to trade for AD for a package with those as a headline look slim. They don't want to compromise their cap space in a trade to win now. Middleton accomplishes that. His cap hold of just 19m is just low enough that if you send out Ball, Ingram and Wagner (who is rumored to be unwanted in LA) you can get a 30% max (no 35% max so no Durant) there + then resign Middleton.
Now I neither like Ingram nor Ball, but we supposedly were decently high on Wagner and Ball.
So basicly we would be looking for a third (and fourth) team to give us/LAL assets for either Ingram or Ball. In terms of of assets to LAL those would have to be salary neutral, so no picks before 2020. Just a train of thought.

Remove Wagner, send Ball and Ingraham to Minnesota and bring us back Covington.

[RiotPunch]

So I've done some math regarding the LAL cap situation and Middleton. Ingram and Ball look less and less like prime assets and their hopes of being able to trade for AD for a package with those as a headline look slim. They don't want to compromise their cap space in a trade to win now. Middleton accomplishes that. His cap hold of just 19m is just low enough that if you send out Ball, Ingram and Wagner (who is rumored to be unwanted in LA) you can get a 30% max (no 35% max so no Durant) there + then resign Middleton.
Now I neither like Ingram nor Ball, but we supposedly were decently high on Wagner and Ball.
So basicly we would be looking for a third (and fourth) team to give us/LAL assets for either Ingram or Ball. In terms of of assets to LAL those would have to be salary neutral, so no picks before 2020. Just a train of thought.

Hornets are an interesting 3rd team, but Kemba is even more of an optimal trade target for LAL than Midds is. Ingram/Ball/Wagner for Kemba would be such a coup for them.

Orlando is interesting, as Ingram/Ball is a Hammond wet dream SF/PG combo. Ball/Fournier/Ingram/Isaac/Bamba would give him Viagra 4+ hour erection style symptoms.

MKE out: Middleton, Smith
MKE in: Ross, KCP, ORL '19 1st (lotto protected), ORL '21 1st (lotto protected)

LAL out: Ingram, Ball, KCP, Wagner
LAL in: Middleton, Vucevic

ORL out: Vucevic, Ross, '19 1st (lotto protected), '21 1st (lotto protected)
ORL in: Ingram, Ball, Wagner

[drew881]

I feel like Hammond gets screwed in that deal and then realized how that makes sense.