PG Cavs: Loss

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #321 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:27 pm

how far back do you have to go to find a bucks team you would trade the talent...... with the current team less Giannis.

we have more talent here now than ftd imo..... certainly more than any redd team. I think youd have to go back to 2001 allen team and then moncrief before that.

this is a dumb discussion. we will rememeber this team over what it does for the next 3-5 years. not what were doing post asb.

Chuck Diesel · Post #322 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:28 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:how far back do you have to go to find a bucks team you would trade the talent...... with the current team less Giannis.

we have more talent here now than ftd imo..... certainly more than any redd team. I think youd have to go back to 2001 allen team.

Different game now but I’d take 2-15 on this team over the 01 squad.

steger_3434 · Post #323 » by **steger_3434** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:30 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:how far back do you have to go to find a bucks team you would trade the talent...... with the current team less Giannis.

we have more talent here now than ftd imo..... certainly more than any redd team. I think youd have to go back to 2001 allen team.

Different game now but I’d take 2-15 on this team over the 01 squad.

01 team was tailor made for today’s nba game. Big dog and Cassell could have easily extended their range to the three point line and we all know about ray.

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GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #324 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:40 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:how far back do you have to go to find a bucks team you would trade the talent...... with the current team less Giannis.

we have more talent here now than ftd imo..... certainly more than any redd team. I think youd have to go back to 2001 allen team.

Different game now but I’d take 2-15 on this team over the 01 squad.

agreed... but with allen id take that team.

remove Giannis and over the last 20 years there isn't a single bucks team 1-15 id take over who we got 2-15 now. I don't even think its close either.

Post #325 » by **Prez** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:50 pm

Giannis, Hill, Sterling listed as probable for Friday, so that's cool

Chuck Diesel · Post #326 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:56 pm

steger_3434 wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:how far back do you have to go to find a bucks team you would trade the talent...... with the current team less Giannis.

we have more talent here now than ftd imo..... certainly more than any redd team. I think youd have to go back to 2001 allen team.

Different game now but I’d take 2-15 on this team over the 01 squad.

01 team was tailor made for today’s nba game. Big dog and Cassell could have easily extended their range to the three point line and we all know about ray.

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I dunno, maybe. Dog and Sam lived in the mid range. Tim Thomas and maybe Scott Williams are the only other dudes who could be playable today. Ervin, Mark Pope, Jason Caffey, Darvin Ham...yikes.

bucksfansince88 · Post #327 » by **bucksfansince88** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:07 pm

steger_3434 wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:how far back do you have to go to find a bucks team you would trade the talent...... with the current team less Giannis.

we have more talent here now than ftd imo..... certainly more than any redd team. I think youd have to go back to 2001 allen team.

Different game now but I’d take 2-15 on this team over the 01 squad.

01 team was tailor made for today’s nba game. Big dog and Cassell could have easily extended their range to the three point line and we all know about ray.

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funny you mentioned that i was just thinking this morning that the 01' Team had more talent overall & roster balance than this years Team

midranger · Post #328 » by **midranger** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:14 pm

2001 team had 3 guys who could get 20 in their sleep, and if you went out of your way to stop one of them, the other two could get thirty.

Amazing consistency of scoring and ability to create shots for themselves.

This team doesn’t have that. It’s all about giannis. If he’s triple teamed, you’re relying on very average shooters to make shots at an average rate. That works a lot, but definitely prone to some variation.

steger_3434 · Post #329 » by **steger_3434** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:35 pm

midranger wrote:2001 team had 3 guys who could get 20 in their sleep, and if you went out of your way to stop one of them, the other two could get thirty.

Amazing consistency of scoring and ability to create shots for themselves.

This team doesn’t have that. It’s all about giannis. If he’s triple teamed, you’re relying on very average shooters to make shots at an average rate. That works a lot, but definitely prone to some variation.

That bucks team reminded me a little bit of today’s golden state. How the hell do you stop three guys who by themselves could drop 30. That team was so fun to watch. Maybe it’s my older age and years of suckage turning me but I’m never confident going into marquee games because we only have one legit guy that can’t be stopped. That 01 team like you said had 3 and a guy off the bench who is like Middleton. Could get you 10 or could get you 20

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MiltownHawkeye · Post #330 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:04 am

I just looked it up out of curiosity, the 2010-11 Mavs were 2-7 in games where Dirk sat

fan230 · Post #331 » by **fan230** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:08 am

midranger wrote:2001 team had 3 guys who could get 20 in their sleep, and if you went out of your way to stop one of them, the other two could get thirty.

Amazing consistency of scoring and ability to create shots for themselves.

This team doesn’t have that. It’s all about giannis. If he’s triple teamed, you’re relying on very average shooters to make shots at an average rate. That works a lot, but definitely prone to some variation.

Very apt summary. Great post.

H2tObes · Post #332 » by **H2tObes** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:42 am

This Bucks team would stampede through the East in 2001, the 2001 Bucks couldn't even get out of the East when it was that insanely weak.

You talk about variation with this current team, that Bucks team only won 52 games and couldn't make it past AI and role players in the playoffs. That team had a lot of variation themselves. This current team will most likely win 60, and they have a guy who is in the discussion for best player in the world. Let's put down the nostalgia goggles for a second.

Post #333 » by **Prez** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:59 am

MiltownHawkeye wrote:I just looked it up out of curiosity, the 2010-11 Mavs were 2-7 in games where Dirk sat

another interesting one is the LeBron/Kyrie/Love Cavs, 2 all star teammates and they went 4-23 through 3 seasons together in games LeBron sat

slappyg · Post #334 » by **slappyg** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:39 am

Frazier looked bad, Canaan seemed better
DJ's shot sucks
Will regret cutting Wood

DrWood · Post #335 » by **DrWood** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:30 am

I've been away from internet for 36 hrs or so. All I can say is:
MFers!
Only 8 guys who can play? Do we know if they're all really injured or if they're just getting rested because Bud is stupid about some things?
If Giannis is this fragile, we can't count on a mini-dynasty. This year might be our only chance.

har13 · Post #336 » by **har13** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:28 am

Our starting lineup is a good one, our bench before Mirotic was one of the worst in the league and we also had many injuries so i disagree with both MG and Prez lol, we were lucky we didn't miss a starter and especially Giannis.

Next year if we are not going to keep Mirotic then we have a problem if you ask me especially if we miss a starter from injurie.

emunney · Post #337 » by **emunney** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:32 pm

midranger wrote:2001 team had 3 guys who could get 20 in their sleep, and if you went out of your way to stop one of them, the other two could get thirty.

Amazing consistency of scoring and ability to create shots for themselves.

This team doesn’t have that. It’s all about giannis. If he’s triple teamed, you’re relying on very average shooters to make shots at an average rate. That works a lot, but definitely prone to some variation.

Wow they must have won 75 games. I assume their defense was also very good.

Bucksfan28 · Post #338 » by **Bucksfan28** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:02 pm

This team has multiple above average 3pt shooters in the starting lineup alone. Christ.

Ron Swanson · Post #339 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:06 pm

Don't think that Sam Cassell could ever get "20+ in his sleep". Ironically, Bledsoe, Middleton, and Lopez have all had seasons where they've scored 20+ in actual minutes (not per-36). So this seems like a really weird and completely inaccurate criticism.

emunney · Post #340 » by **emunney** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:22 pm

The Big 3 Bucks team had the best offense in the league but were entirely jumpshot reliant... I don't think they were a lot less prone to variation than this team is.

2000-2001 ppg by month

November 95.1
December 100.3
January 105.3
February 100.7
March 100.6
April 103.4

2018-2019 scoring by month

October 120
November 121.1
December 111
January 117.3
February 119.2
March 117.6

Maybe a little? (Aside: man, has the game changed. Bucks' league best ORTG in 2000-2001 was 108.8, the same ORTG as this season's 21st ranked Mavs offense.)