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Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 3:02 pm
by ReasonablySober
Kerb Hohl wrote:They offered Paul Grant's son last night.


**** me I'm old.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 3:07 pm
by emunney
Kerb Hohl wrote:They offered Paul Grant's son last night.


Stop stepping on my lines!

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 3:16 pm
by chonestown
Kerb Hohl wrote:They offered Paul Grant's son last night.


Well, I assume he's tall. Info looks scarce. What do you know, Kerb?

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 3:19 pm
by emunney
Just for the record, I watch a ton of NCAA ball and I love the Badgers -- I just also am tickled by both their recruiting strategy and their on-court tactics and how well they work together against all modern convention.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 3:22 pm
by Mags FTW
Voted "Mr. Tall" by state prep writers. Has a mix tape on Youtube that's just clips of him touching the net without jumping.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 3:24 pm
by Kerb Hohl
emunney wrote:Just for the record, I watch a ton of NCAA ball and I love the Badgers -- I just also am tickled by both their recruiting strategy and their on-court tactics and how well they work together against all modern convention.


Did you watch the Final 4 last year? I think you're confusing "modern convention" with the NBA's modern convention (of having skilled enough players to play fast) or the 5-10 teams that are paying future NBA players and are good at it.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 3:25 pm
by Kerb Hohl
chonestown wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:They offered Paul Grant's son last night.


Well, I assume he's tall. Info looks scarce. What do you know, Kerb?


I have only seen the recruiting profile and some twitter commentary but he looks pretty good. 4-star recruit that is a skilled inside/outside big man, the usual.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 3:26 pm
by tski1972
what is his name?

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 3:27 pm
by Kerb Hohl
Jackson Grant.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 3:46 pm
by chonestown
Kerb Hohl wrote:Jackson Grant.


Chest Rockell-ass name.

Thanks for the info, man.

I once rang up Paul Grant at my jobby-job way back when. I can confirm he is, in fact, Tall.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 3:53 pm
by ReasonablySober
Image

I mean if that's not a future Wisconsin Badger I don't know what is.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 3:54 pm
by Kerb Hohl
LOL I don't think it's Paul's kid reading about it more. I was aggregating bad info I've read on the internet.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 5:15 pm
by Iheartfootball
Spoiler:
ReasonablySober wrote:Image

I mean if that's not a future Wisconsin Badger I don't know what is.


Past, present, and future.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 5:22 pm
by Kerb Hohl
Iheartfootball wrote:
Spoiler:
ReasonablySober wrote:Image

I mean if that's not a future Wisconsin Badger I don't know what is.


Past, present, and future.


This is really an indictment coming from a St. Mary's fan haha

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 5:28 pm
by Iheartfootball
Kerb Hohl wrote:
Iheartfootball wrote:
Spoiler:
ReasonablySober wrote:Image

I mean if that's not a future Wisconsin Badger I don't know what is.


Past, present, and future.


This is really an indictment coming from a St. Mary's fan haha


Hahaha! So true but SMC is all Aussie. Different hemisphere of whiteness.

Incidentally, I just go to school there so I felt the need to represent but push comes to shove I'm not cheering against my Sconnie roots. On Wisconsin.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 5:33 pm
by Kerb Hohl
Iheartfootball wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
Iheartfootball wrote:
Spoiler:


Past, present, and future.


This is really an indictment coming from a St. Mary's fan haha


Hahaha! So true but SMC is all Aussie. Different hemisphere of whiteness.

Incidentally, I just go to school there so I felt the need to represent but push comes to shove I'm not cheering against my Sconnie roots. On Wisconsin.


Didn't really mean to give you **** about it, St. Mary's is the one school that sticks out more than Wisconsin at times (unless you go deeper into mid majors).

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 5:47 pm
by emunney
Kerb Hohl wrote:
emunney wrote:Just for the record, I watch a ton of NCAA ball and I love the Badgers -- I just also am tickled by both their recruiting strategy and their on-court tactics and how well they work together against all modern convention.


Did you watch the Final 4 last year? I think you're confusing "modern convention" with the NBA's modern convention (of having skilled enough players to play fast) or the 5-10 teams that are paying future NBA players and are good at it.


Median team pace (Badger pace):

18-19: 71.1 (67.4)
17-18: 71.4 (64.8)
16-17: 71.7 (66.9)
15-16: 71.1 (66.0)
14-15: 67.0 (61.1)
13-14: 68.8 (64.8)
12-13: 68.0 (63.6)
11-12: 67.9 (60.2)
10-11: 68.8 (58.7)
09-10: 69.1 (61.2)

Last year was the fastest the Badgers have played out of any year in the last 10, and they were still 325th (of 353) in pace.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 5:48 pm
by trwi7
ReasonablySober wrote:Image

I mean if that's not a future Wisconsin Badger I don't know what is.


My God, it’s the love child of Sam Dekker and Mark Vershaw.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 5:54 pm
by Kerb Hohl
emunney wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
emunney wrote:Just for the record, I watch a ton of NCAA ball and I love the Badgers -- I just also am tickled by both their recruiting strategy and their on-court tactics and how well they work together against all modern convention.


Did you watch the Final 4 last year? I think you're confusing "modern convention" with the NBA's modern convention (of having skilled enough players to play fast) or the 5-10 teams that are paying future NBA players and are good at it.


Median team pace (Badger pace):

18-19: 71.1 (67.4)
17-18: 71.4 (64.8)
16-17: 71.7 (66.9)
15-16: 71.1 (66.0)
14-15: 67.0 (61.1)
13-14: 68.8 (64.8)
12-13: 68.0 (63.6)
11-12: 67.9 (60.2)
10-11: 68.8 (58.7)
09-10: 69.1 (61.2)

Last year was the fastest the Badgers have played out of any year in the last 10, and they were still 325th (of 353) in pace.


Yeah, now do the tempo of the teams that appeared in the FF/championship game or hell, most of the teams that garner top 4 seeds in the tournament.

You'll note that UNC has a niche of playing fast and Villanova played somewhat fast one of the years but otherwise teams like Michigan, Virginia, Syracuse, Texas Tech, most of Villanova's run play almost as slow. Even Kentucky has slowed it down during a lot of recent years.

The players aren't good enough so it's a race to the most efficient, slowest pace. Certain teams (Louisville with Pitino/UNC/Gonzaga) have a lot of mid-NBA talent and can play fast. Other teams like Duke and Kentucky are a bit of a mixed bag but obviously have the talent to do so.

Most of the top 50 or 100 tempos on KenPom are either very low-level mid-majors that run and chuck (because why not?) or some of teams that are loaded with NBA or near-NBA talent that can do this regularly. So the median pace is a bit skewed, for whatever that's worth.

A lot of good, "faster" teams like Purdue or MSU average a whole whopping 3 extra possessions/game. Michigan State is definitely more appealing to watch for the masses but they still can and do slow it down a lot.

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-20 Season Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 1, 2019 6:07 pm
by emunney
If you're suggesting there's a negative correlation between pace and wins, you're the one who's going to have to show your work on that.