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Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract

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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#621 » by smauss » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:22 pm

I'm not nearly as concerned about his scoring. I'm much more concerned him thinking he's Curly Neal. He needs to cut hid TO's down, and make better bball decisions.

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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#622 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:37 pm

Feel like his game is gonna get better with age.
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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#624 » by skones » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:52 pm

I fully expect Middleton to be better this season with more offensive opportunity and more comfort in Bud's system. I DO think part of the frustration, particularly when he was struggling, stemmed from him knowing he was very much playing for a contract, and understandably so.

And before someone says something dumb like, "WELL HE IS LAZY MAYBE HE WILL JUST MAIL IT IN" he certainly didn't the last time he got a fat payday. Make no mistake, that 5/70 he signed was fat at the time.
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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#625 » by mattg » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:27 pm

smauss wrote:I'm not nearly as concerned about his scoring. I'm much more concerned him thinking he's Curly Neal. He needs to cut hid TO's down, and make better bball decisions.

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The nonchalant comments have always stemmed from his ball handling. He doesn’t always dribble with a purpose, doesn’t always protect his dribble with his off hand or body, Dribbles too high/slow, tries to make an advanced move in tight space, etc. that’s when his silly turnovers happen, and mostly they could be prevented with better focus. Also, the trying to create off the bounce when a defender is applying heavy ball pressure and in his shorts is no bueno. He doesn’t have the burst or advanced handle to punish guys who do that to him so when he tries to he usually just loses the ball. It’s sort of a frustrating lack of self awareness thing because it’s been an issue since the first season he was here and we tried letting him run some PnRs and it really hasn’t notably improved at all.

The frustration overall with Khris comes from the boneheaded turnovers mostly and defensive laziness. Because they are such simple fundamental things that anyone who has even played the lowest levels of organized basketball can understand and can’t excuse. Its like if middle school aged kids can be bothered to sprint to a close out, or fight hard over a screen, why can’t a professional? Why does he just give up on a lot of plays? Same with the dribbling. When a dude is crowding Khris and he doesn’t use his offhand to guard against reaches and then his defender takes the ball from him it’s just a total “wtf are you doing dude?” Moment. Especially since those kinds of turnovers are literally the single worst play you can have happen in basketball that happens regularly.
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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#626 » by soxperry » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:28 pm

Khris just needs to get better at catch and shoot 3s. Im sure he can, i just think it will take time. He has been a pull up, rhythm shooter his whole career. Hes good at it but not good enough to warrant letting him iso a big chunk of the game like Kawhi or something.
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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#627 » by jute2003 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:43 pm

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smauss wrote:I'm not nearly as concerned about his scoring. I'm much more concerned him thinking he's Curly Neal. He needs to cut hid TO's down, and make better bball decisions.

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The nonchalant comments have always stemmed from his ball handling. He doesn’t always dribble with a purpose, doesn’t always protect his dribble with his off hand or body, Dribbles too high/slow, tries to make an advanced move in tight space, etc. that’s when his silly turnovers happen, and mostly they could be prevented with better focus. Also, the trying to create off the bounce when a defender is applying heavy ball pressure and in his shorts is no bueno. He doesn’t have the burst or advanced handle to punish guys who do that to him so when he tries to he usually just loses the ball. It’s sort of a frustrating lack of self awareness thing because it’s been an issue since the first season he was here and we tried letting him run some PnRs and it really hasn’t notably improved at all.

The frustration overall with Khris comes from the boneheaded turnovers mostly and defensive laziness. Because they are such simple fundamental things that anyone who has even played the lowest levels of organized basketball can understand and can’t excuse. Its like if middle school aged kids can be bothered to sprint to a close out, or fight hard over a screen, why can’t a professional? Why does he just give up on a lot of plays? Same with the dribbling. When a dude is crowding Khris and he doesn’t use his offhand to guard against reaches and then his defender takes the ball from him it’s just a total “wtf are you doing dude?” Moment. Especially since those kinds of turnovers are literally the single worst play you can have happen in basketball that happens regularly.
He has been benched twice in the last two years by 2 different coaching staffs for not giving enough effort. This year it was in a contract year on a very good team. He is lazy.
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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#628 » by smauss » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:56 pm

When he gets the ball, and makes his move using a couple of dribbles is a thing of beauty. Its when he tries to do more than that is when he gets into trouble. Also that rebound the mike referred to earlier and I also in the a different thread, just absolutely makes me crazy and I can't get past that.

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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#629 » by M-C-G » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:31 am

Two things with Middleton, he is in fact lazy with above average frequency. What makes that concerning is he did that with 180M on the line.

He has very nice averages every year which are generally saved by an insane stretch of shooting. If he doesn’t have that stretch he will instantly be considered the worst contract in basketball not named Wall.

I do agree with those that think his game will improve with age. But I won’t be shocked when we are talking about how we desperately need to shed the contract in a couple years from now. I mean, I hope we won’t because if he has a good season, we are probably making it to the finals.


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