Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract

[Chuck Diesel]

However you want to measure it, Middleton has to be the 2nd best wing among east playoff teams. He can’t be worse than Josh Richardson, Tatum/Brown/Hayward, LeVert, Fournier, TJ Warren ECT. He’a not gonna catch Jimmy Butler and Beal’s team is too bad to matter. Not that big of an ask.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

However you want to measure it, Middleton has to be the 2nd best wing among east playoff teams. He can’t be worse than Josh Richardson, Tatum/Brown/Hayward, LeVert, Fournier, TJ Warren ECT. He’a not gonna catch Jimmy Butler and Beal’s team is too bad to matter. Not that big of an ask.

i would agree with this. if hes right there with..... or the most badass of... the top #2's in the east..... then his contract is the whatevv.

its as simple as that.

right now as it stands, in my book... that's where hes at. I hope he doesn't regress

[DavidDunn21]

You'd think the law of averages would demand he'd play well against a good team occasionally, right?

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[Perseus1966]

He was best player for Clippers

[AussieBuck]

At least he nailed those fts at the end.

[smauss]

What he has is a beautiful jump shot, and really good midrange game. His handle is bad, and he tends to be a turnover machine. I was not for resigning him at this price, and I also said that we are not a championship team with him as our second best player, so far he has done nothing to change my mind. Kinda wish he would......

[Chuck Diesel]

However you want to measure it, Middleton has to be the 2nd best wing among east playoff teams. He can’t be worse than Josh Richardson, Tatum/Brown/Hayward, LeVert, Fournier, TJ Warren ECT. He’a not gonna catch Jimmy Butler and Beal’s team is too bad to matter. Not that big of an ask.

This is still a fair expectation, right?

[truly]

However you want to measure it, Middleton has to be the 2nd best wing among east playoff teams. He can’t be worse than Josh Richardson, Tatum/Brown/Hayward, LeVert, Fournier, TJ Warren ECT. He’a not gonna catch Jimmy Butler and Beal’s team is too bad to matter. Not that big of an ask.

This is still a fair expectation, right?

To me,how he performs compared to these guys isn't that important.You need to compare him to real contenders and their number 2 options.So AD and PG i guess?And i am not sure Giannis is better than Lebron and Kawhi come playoff time which doesn't bode well for the Bucks.

[jute2003]

However you want to measure it, Middleton has to be the 2nd best wing among east playoff teams. He can’t be worse than Josh Richardson, Tatum/Brown/Hayward, LeVert, Fournier, TJ Warren ECT. He’a not gonna catch Jimmy Butler and Beal’s team is too bad to matter. Not that big of an ask.

This is still a fair expectation, right?

He will be a glorified role player that doesnt play defense as early as next season.

[SupremeHustle]

I'm not reading this whole thread but I hope that the gist is this contract was bad from the start and will not age well. But don't worry. Here's what's going to happen. The Kings LOVE Middleton and they will suck going into a PG heavy draft so they will move Fox and Barnes to us for Middleton and a first. Book it.

Disclaimer: I have no idea if that's even doable. I'm just a fan like Stan.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

However you want to measure it, Middleton has to be the 2nd best wing among east playoff teams. He can’t be worse than Josh Richardson, Tatum/Brown/Hayward, LeVert, Fournier, TJ Warren ECT. He’a not gonna catch Jimmy Butler and Beal’s team is too bad to matter. Not that big of an ask.

This is still a fair expectation, right?

To me,how he performs compared to these guys isn't that important.You need to compare him to real contenders and their number 2 options.So AD and PG i guess?And i am not sure Giannis is better than Lebron and Kawhi come playoff time which doesn't bode well for the Bucks.

we need to compare middleton to PG and AD to have a fair discussion?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

it would be an interesting poll to see how many on this board would trade Giannis/middleton straight up for kawhi/PG or LeBron/AD.

I get that on paper both of those other duos are better but to me it doesn't matter. I like our guys. i'll keep them now and def for the long haul right where they are.

and outside of those two there isn't two other guys id even sniff. middelton is in the discussion as a top5 #2 in this league. giannis likes him. we win with the two of them. they both have a ton of basketball left. that's good enough for me

[AussieBuck]

I just want him to be able to score 20 against single coverage in the playoffs. I feel like that's a fair ask from a guy making that much money.

Sticking with this.

[truly]

This is still a fair expectation, right?

To me,how he performs compared to these guys isn't that important.You need to compare him to real contenders and their number 2 options.So AD and PG i guess?And i am not sure Giannis is better than Lebron and Kawhi come playoff time which doesn't bode well for the Bucks.

we need to compare middleton to PG and AD to have a fair discussion?

Not sure what you mean by fair discussion but if you want to talk about how Middleton compares to fournier go ahead and do that.I just find it meaningless since you won't be facing those guys in the finals.

[Bucksmaniac]

it would be an interesting poll to see how many on this board would trade Giannis/middleton straight up for kawhi/PG or LeBron/AD.

I get that on paper both of those other duos are better but to me it doesn't matter. I like our guys. i'll keep them now and def for the long haul right where they are.

and outside of those two there isn't two other guys id even sniff. middelton is in the discussion as a top5 #2 in this league. giannis likes him. we win with the two of them. they both have a ton of basketball left. that's good enough for me

Outside of the series against Boston (and he does look like an option 1b or 2 against them seemingly all the time) can you name a couple games last year where Middleton was the difference maker in getting us the win? It's why I considered Bledsoe our 2nd best player last year in the regular season. He had several games he turned around due to his 2 way ability (and I know you're a big Bledsoe guy too so you understand that). Brogdon was really good in clutch stats, making shots in close games, so he had that to hang his hat on. I'm not sure what Middleton has to hang his hat on besides being 2nd leading scorer on a 60 win team. He's a strange case where you have to look deeper than stats to get a feel for him, and unfortunately if you do, it's not as good as his stats.

[TroyD92]

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Someone get DavidDunn on the case

[mattg]

For Khris it comes down to being effective in big games and when he is forced to play out of his comfort zone. Nothing else even remotely matters if teams can just have someone play him super tight on ball and he can’t get to his spots because the ball pressure overwhelms him into tough forced shots, turnovers, and bad passes.

That’s the big issue. Teams change up their defense in the playoffs to be matchup dependent far more than in the regular season, and on his entire career Khris basically poops his pants when a defender gets up in his shorts and forces him to make something happen. And if we can’t rely on him to create off the dribble with any sort of consistency against the top teams, we are in SERIOUS trouble if the goal is championship.

That’s why it’s my firm belief that until we add another player that can basically do the same stuff George Hill is doing for us, we are a pretender.

[blazza18]

Gonna need a top 5 #2 in the league to show up against the (non Celtics) good teams, right?

[Ruzious]

Gonna need a top 5 #2 in the league to show up against the (non Celtics) good teams, right?

Can the Bucks just pretend that Matthews is injured - so we could see how DDV and Brown would do sharing the position for the rest of the season?

[smauss]

I highly doubt Boston would swap Midds for Haywood right now.

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