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Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:56 am
by rrayy
skones wrote:
rrayy wrote:
skones wrote:
Have we not been around here long enough to know that the "you can easily trade him" stuff just sounds dumber and dumber and dumber as the year's go by? Trading him later on isn't the point. Being a two year contract isn't the point. It's about the value being greater than dollars spent. That's what good organizations do year after year. Horst has CLEARLY demonstrated he's incapable of getting that. That's a problem, that's a massive red flag.
You have absolutely no clue how good Hill is going to be. For all you know, he outplays his contract and the value is better than the dollars spent. You are clearly calling Horst incompetent because you hate the move. There is absolutely no way you can claim they he clearly incapable of anything right now. So, it is ludicrous to make sweeping declarations like that.


k horsty
Translation: I lost the argument.

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:57 am
by skones
rrayy wrote:
skones wrote:
rrayy wrote:You have absolutely no clue how good Hill is going to be. For all you know, he outplays his contract and the value is better than the dollars spent. You are clearly calling Horst incompetent because you hate the move. There is absolutely no way you can claim they he clearly incapable of anything right now. So, it is ludicrous to make sweeping declarations like that.


k horsty
Translation: I lost the argument.


Not at all. By your own logic it's useless to speculate on anything (which is the entire point of this board) because, well, like, you can't see into the future man.

But wow, I'm sure Middleton's going to really earn that huge deal, so is Lopez for all four years, and now Hill! Are you even looking at the numbers on these deals? Use common sense.

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:58 am
by CountMe3Outs
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Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:59 am
by MickeyDavis
"Everyone knows" is my favorite phrase I read here.

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:59 am
by RiotPunch
George Hill proved to be one of the only dudes on our team not afraid of the ECF lights. Love having him back, but yeah, giving a lot of money to older players is always risky.

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:03 am
by SickMother
vital_signs wrote:
SickMother wrote:
BigO wrote:If there is not another significant move now, can someone explain to me how coming back with the same team minus brogdon makes us better? I'm curious.


Giannis has gotten better every season of his career.

So Giannis is going to improve to the point where he replaces Brogdon's production?


Yes. I am predicting that Giannis will go for 42/17/9 next year & single handedly replace Malcolm's production.

The reality is a maybe improved Giannis, with a full season of Hill, plus hopefully similar production from Bled/Khris/Brook, plus one or more of Sterling/Pat/DDV taking a step forward with more consistent burn, plus functional back up bigs in Ersan/DJ (not to mention future moves yet to be made) can very easily exceed 60 wins & the ECF.

Or maybe not, I guess we'll have to wait & see.

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:03 am
by rrayy
skones wrote:
rrayy wrote:
skones wrote:
k horsty
Translation: I lost the argument.


Not at all. By your own logic it's useless to speculate on anything (which is the entire point of this board) because, well, like, you can't see into the future man.

But wow, I'm sure Middleton's going to really earn that huge deal, so is Lopez for all four years, and now Hill! Are you even looking at the numbers on these deals? Use common sense.
I'm not the one proclaiming the future. You are:

skones wrote:Being a two year contract isn't the point. It's about the value being greater than dollars spent. That's what good organizations do year after year. Horst has CLEARLY demonstrated he's incapable of getting that. That's a problem, that's a massive red flag.
You clearly claim Hill will not be worth the dollars spent. You are the one claiming that because of that Horst is incompetent. All I am saying is that we have no idea how he is going to play therefore we have no idea what his value will be in relation to the money spent.

Edited out comment. Post on the subject not derogatory on the poster. MD

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:06 am
by drone3
Yes! really wanted Hill back, he was amazing

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:06 am
by skones
rrayy wrote:
skones wrote:
rrayy wrote:Translation: I lost the argument.


Not at all. By your own logic it's useless to speculate on anything (which is the entire point of this board) because, well, like, you can't see into the future man.

But wow, I'm sure Middleton's going to really earn that huge deal, so is Lopez for all four years, and now Hill! Are you even looking at the numbers on these deals? Use common sense.
I'm not the one proclaiming the future. You are:

skones wrote:Being a two year contract isn't the point. It's about the value being greater than dollars spent. That's what good organizations do year after year. Horst has CLEARLY demonstrated he's incapable of getting that. That's a problem, that's a massive red flag.
You clearly claim Hill will not be worth the dollars spent. You are the one claiming that because of that Horst is incompetent. All I am saying is that we have no idea how he is going to play therefore we have no idea what his value will be in relation to the money spent.



None of us here saw those Delly/Snell/Plumlee/etc deals as awful when they were signed. None of us. Because an NBA GM signed them, we were all completely blindsided when they went south.

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:07 am
by humanrefutation
Love having Hill back. It's bit more than I was hoping to pay for. Still think we need to make a move with that TPE to add another quality contributor.

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:07 am
by Je K
MickeyDavis wrote:"Everyone knows" is my favorite phrase I read here.

Everyone knows there are way better phrases here

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:08 am
by BUCKnation
This is a good deal. Glad to have him back and I doubt this turns out like our previous 10M/year deals.

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:08 am
by LuessiT
machu46 wrote:
Read on Twitter
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This is what I was afraid of. We really might have burned the TPE to give 33 year old Hill another few thousand.

I really hope we have another path.


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I'm pretty sure I've read that you can S&T a player even after you waived him. I'll get a quote on it.

Edit:

A sign-and-trade deal can be made with a free agent who has been renounced (see question number 39), as long as all the above criteria are met.


Tada. So this gets you another 700k (1600k - min roster hold (900k)) which is exactly how much you need.

Edit 2: To even think we didn't crunch the numbers on this is kinda stupid tbh.

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:09 am
by Ron Swanson
You can't win a championship without veteran role players. That's just the way it works. I'm way more concerned about BroLo's deal than I am for Hill's. This is probably the biggest no-brainer move out of everything.

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:09 am
by TroyD92
skones wrote:
rrayy wrote:
skones wrote:
Not at all. By your own logic it's useless to speculate on anything (which is the entire point of this board) because, well, like, you can't see into the future man.

But wow, I'm sure Middleton's going to really earn that huge deal, so is Lopez for all four years, and now Hill! Are you even looking at the numbers on these deals? Use common sense.
I'm not the one proclaiming the future. You are:

skones wrote:Being a two year contract isn't the point. It's about the value being greater than dollars spent. That's what good organizations do year after year. Horst has CLEARLY demonstrated he's incapable of getting that. That's a problem, that's a massive red flag.
You clearly claim Hill will not be worth the dollars spent. You are the one claiming that because of that Horst is incompetent. All I am saying is that we have no idea how he is going to play therefore we have no idea what his value will be in relation to the money spent.

I am done with you. No sense in dealing with a guy who thinks he is smarter than an NBA GM.


None of us here saw those Delly/Snell/Plumlee/etc deals as awful when they were signed. None of us. Because an NBA GM signed them, we were all completely blindsided when they went south.


This guy is doing a terrible job explaining his rational lmao.

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:14 am
by RiotPunch
skones wrote:None of us here saw those Delly/Snell/Plumlee/etc deals as awful when they were signed. None of us. Because an NBA GM signed them, we were all completely blindsided when they went south.

That's a load of crap.

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:15 am
by rrayy
RiotPunch wrote:George Hill proved to be one of the only dudes on our team not afraid of the ECF lights. Love having him back, but yeah, giving a lot of money to older players is always risky.
Free agency is risky in general.

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:16 am
by Buck Dweller
jakecronus8 wrote:The Bucks spent roughly 259 million dollars today to be worse next year and people are acting like it’s a big win. I don’t get it.


Now that the team got a little success, we're back to that Kohl-era dewy-eyed acquiescence

Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:16 am
by skones
RiotPunch wrote:
skones wrote:None of us here saw those Delly/Snell/Plumlee/etc deals as awful when they were signed. None of us. Because an NBA GM signed them, we were all completely blindsided when they went south.

That's a load of crap.


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Re: Shams: George Hill returns 3 years $29 million

Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:18 am
by CJTURT
M-C-G wrote:I like it. Hill has plenty left in the tank and I think with Brog going this became very important


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