LuessiT wrote:Just for the record since I wasn't around when the Hill debate started as far as I have deducted, we're doing the following moves so far:
1) Waive Hill. IDK if he waives his guarantee or it gets taken of our cap once we sign him to a contract but it doesn't really matter
2) Waive & stretch Leuer
3) Waive everyone's rights except Middleton including Brogdons
4) Sign Hill to the 3/29m deal starting at ~9.2m
5) Sign Lopez to the 4/52m deal starting at ~12.1m
6) S&T Brogdon for the IND package creating a TPE. Yes, you can S&T Brogdon after you waived his rights
Since we have to execute this on the 6th, things may change. I assume if the price is low enough we may dump Leuer instead of waiving and stretching him creating a ~3.2m in cap space or get back up to ~4.1m in a trade.
But for now we still have the TPE and the room MLE available.
How do you keep a TPE if you don't have Bird Rights to Brogdon? I would be shocked if that's true. Massive loophole. They can sign and trade players after they renounce them, but I think that's only if they have cap space or some other exception. You have to have some right to pay Brogdon in order to have any right to use his exception to pay someone else instead of him.
Maybe you're correct. I'm going to read up on it.
Edit: The quote is the following:
To qualify for a sign-and-trade, all of the following must be true:
The player must re-sign with his prior team -- a team cannot include another team's free agent in a sign-and-trade.
The player must finish the preceding season with that team (deals are no longer allowed that sign-and-trade players who are out of the league, such as the sign-and-trade that sent Keith Van Horn from Dallas to New Jersey as part of the Jason Kidd trade in 2008).
The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 42).
The team receiving the player cannot be above the "Apron" (see question number 20) at the conclusion of the trade1, 2. A team above the Apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the Apron.
The team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season.1
The trade must be completed prior to the first game of the regular season (sign-and-trades are not allowed once the season begins).
The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or any exception that cannot be used to offer a three-year contract (see question number 25).
A sign-and-trade deal can be made with a free agent who has been renounced (see question number 39), as long as all the above criteria are met.
It's interesting because if we were to execute the S&T in the fashion I posted above we couldn't actually sign Brogdon (no bird rights). That said since waiving Brogdon's cap hold (and his bird rights which allow us to go over the cap in the first place to resign him) gets us exactly where we need to, I'm pretty confident this works like I described. Or at least the Bucks FO thinks so.