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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1721 » by Perishable517 » Mon Aug 5, 2019 3:52 pm

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RRyder823 wrote:I get the potential aspect with Zion is through the roof but doesnt his entire skill set and build just scream bust in today's NBA?

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I wouldn't say that, he kind of breaks the mold as far as elite athletes at his size & skill(which I think is being underrated). My main worry about him is if he can stay healthy playing the way he does as heavy as he is. It's hard to comprehend how big Zion actually is, the only guy listed heavier than him is 7'3" monster Boban Marjonovic. He might be the most jacked guy in NBA history and he's only 19 years old, unreal!


I thought that about Shaq when he first came into the league. I couldn't imagine a guy his size would last more than 7-9 years in the league. I was proven wrong.

I am a believer in Zion. From what I have read and watched, his skill is what has set him apart from the other players in college.
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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1722 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Aug 5, 2019 3:52 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:He's a bigger, taller Larry Johnson.

But Grandmama never had this type of weight issue at the start of his career.

He's not Tractor. Tractor never had this athleticism, speed and coordination.


Neither did Grandmama. Not even remotely close, even before the injuries.
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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1723 » by Perishable517 » Mon Aug 5, 2019 3:56 pm

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RRyder823 wrote:I get the potential aspect with Zion is through the roof but doesnt his entire skill set and build just scream bust in today's NBA?

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He looks like a better Tractor Traylor to me. Apparently I'm wrong though, well see...


Obviously, perhaps not a #1 pick with hype but a better Tractor would have been pretty dang sweet!
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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1724 » by Chuck Diesel » Mon Aug 5, 2019 4:18 pm

People really gettin off on saying things like “Zion is a rich man’s Jason Caffey”
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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1725 » by tski1972 » Mon Aug 5, 2019 4:27 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:People really gettin off on saying things like “Zion is a rich man’s Jason Caffey”


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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1726 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Aug 5, 2019 4:45 pm

For all the talk about the 3PT era and how it's a "shooter's league" now, you look at the list of Top-10 or so players and it's still mostly comprised of dudes who are physically dominant/freakish athletes (Giannis, Lebron, Kawhi, AD, Durant, Embiid, Paul George). So yeah, unless you're just god-tier skilled (Curry, Jokic, Harden), the freak athlete types are still the ones that almost always end up comprising the majority of the superstar player pool.
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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1727 » by crkone » Mon Aug 5, 2019 4:51 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:For all the talk about the 3PT era and how it's a "shooter's league" now, you look at the list of Top-10 or so players and it's still mostly comprised of dudes who are physically dominant/freakish athletes (Giannis, Lebron, Kawhi, AD, Durant, Embiid, Paul George). So yeah, unless you're just god-tier skilled (Curry, Jokic, Harden), the freak athlete types are still the ones that almost always end up comprising the majority of the superstar player pool.


Yeah they also have some sort of length to go with their skillsets/athleticism either in wingspan or height, or both.

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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1728 » by emunney » Mon Aug 5, 2019 4:57 pm

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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1729 » by RRyder823 » Mon Aug 5, 2019 5:03 pm

LuessiT wrote:I'm not sure what fans percieve as busts. Zion is a lock to be an above average starter barring any injury. That doesn't sound impressive but is a actually crazy. He's coming into the league and could help a playoff team. His offensive game will rely on him finding ways to get to the line or add to his repertoire. I could definately see where Zion averages 'just' 18 ppg but impacts the game in a big way. If that is a disappointment to some, so be it.


The 1st is commonly said about top prospects when its simply never true (there is always a chance of a player being a bust. Remember when AT WORST Wiggins was a lock to be at least a good wing defender?) and the 2nd is almost always unequivocally false their rookie years (no matter how much talent Zion flashes his rookie year it's extremely likely hes going to be a net negative when hes on the court)



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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1730 » by crkone » Mon Aug 5, 2019 5:35 pm

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Reminds me of a Pat block

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Post#1731 » by bizarro » Mon Aug 5, 2019 5:41 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:People really gettin off on saying things like “Zion is a rich man’s Jason Caffey”


Not that I’m close to saying auch things but it is worth mentioning: A rich man’s Jason Caffey...well...that’s a good player.
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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1732 » by RiotPunch » Mon Aug 5, 2019 6:04 pm

bizarro wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:People really gettin off on saying things like “Zion is a rich man’s Jason Caffey”


Not that I’m close to saying auch things but it is worth mentioning: A rich man’s Jason Caffey...well...that’s a good player.

And a poor man's Jason Caffey is actually also Jason Caffey.
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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1733 » by LuessiT » Mon Aug 5, 2019 6:09 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
LuessiT wrote:I'm not sure what fans percieve as busts. Zion is a lock to be an above average starter barring any injury. That doesn't sound impressive but is a actually crazy. He's coming into the league and could help a playoff team. His offensive game will rely on him finding ways to get to the line or add to his repertoire. I could definately see where Zion averages 'just' 18 ppg but impacts the game in a big way. If that is a disappointment to some, so be it.


The 1st is commonly said about top prospects when its simply never true (there is always a chance of a player being a bust. Remember when AT WORST Wiggins was a lock to be at least a good wing defender?) and the 2nd is almost always unequivocally false their rookie years (no matter how much talent Zion flashes his rookie year it's extremely likely hes going to be a net negative when hes on the court)

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There are plenty of net negative players on PO teams every year. Zion would be one of the better ones.
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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1734 » by bizarro » Mon Aug 5, 2019 7:04 pm

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bizarro wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:People really gettin off on saying things like “Zion is a rich man’s Jason Caffey”


Not that I’m close to saying auch things but it is worth mentioning: A rich man’s Jason Caffey...well...that’s a good player.

And a poor man's Jason Caffey is actually also Jason Caffey.


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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1735 » by Frank Nova » Mon Aug 5, 2019 7:26 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:He's a bigger, taller Larry Johnson.

But Grandmama never had this type of weight issue at the start of his career.

He's not Tractor. Tractor never had this athleticism, speed and coordination.


Neither did Grandmama. Not even remotely close, even before the injuries.
Guaranteed Zion and anyone on NOP roster couldn't beat Grandmama and Steve Urkel 2v2. Theres no chance.

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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1736 » by Bucksfan28 » Mon Aug 5, 2019 7:47 pm

I wouldn't bet against Zion, but the mass on that frame will always be a concern to me.
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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1737 » by jschligs » Mon Aug 5, 2019 8:13 pm

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It was great

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Reminds me of a Pat block



You take that long to release a corner three you deserve to get blocked.

I think Zion will be a stud, top player in the league for sure, but I do NOT think he is the next LBJ, MJ or whatever great people are already comparing him to.
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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1739 » by Chuck Diesel » Mon Aug 5, 2019 10:54 pm

Wonder if Vince and Pau will get the Dirk & D-Wade All-Star treatment.
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Re: ATL: Westbrook traded for Chris Paul and picks, pg 51 

Post#1740 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Aug 5, 2019 11:03 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:For all the talk about the 3PT era and how it's a "shooter's league" now, you look at the list of Top-10 or so players and it's still mostly comprised of dudes who are physically dominant/freakish athletes (Giannis, Lebron, Kawhi, AD, Durant, Embiid, Paul George). So yeah, unless you're just god-tier skilled (Curry, Jokic, Harden), the freak athlete types are still the ones that almost always end up comprising the majority of the superstar player pool.


Yeah they also have some sort of length to go with their skillsets/athleticism either in wingspan or height, or both.


Blake Griffin? That's pretty much where I see Zion's ceiling offensively. Add in the defensive potential? That's one hell of a franchise player.

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