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Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:46 pm
by skones
Jason Kidd single handedly ruined Giannis's jumper. I think we all knew that. He wasn't thinking when he shot it his rookie season.
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:30 pm
by midranger
It’s hard to come up with a guy with a comparable body to Colson who stuck in the league.
He was shorter (and also named Bonzi) but Bonzi Wells kind of had that big upper body/twig leg thing going on and would muscle guys around in the post while maintaining a semblance of a perimeter game.
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:31 pm
by Chuck Diesel
What kinda legs did Clarence Weatherspoon have? At 6-6 he’s always come to mind as a body comp to Colson. Played twelve years in a different NBA where he never had to shoot a three. Bonzi also has long ass arms.
Edit: A quick search of Clarence Weatherspoon highlights reveals thick legs and surprisingly awesome athleticism.
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:33 pm
by LuessiT
emunney wrote:soxperry wrote:Just a random thought.. what is the rule on the TPE? Does it need to fit underneath the cap before you begin to sign all of your birds rights players (in essence, it being treated as a free agent from another team) and did we lose it because we just couldn't make that happen?
If that's the case, it seems like it would have been smarter to sign Robin Lopez with cap room, and sign George Hill with the MLE. That way we would have had 4-5mil left over in cap room.
The TPE can only be generated if you don't have cap room. So we would have had to use our cap room first then do the sign and trade. The problem was that we didn't have room for Brogdon's cap hold to resign Lopez and Hill with our cap space, so the sign and trade came before both signings were complete, and we created a TPE which we then had to renounce in order to use our cap space to sign them.
Had we had enough cap space to sign them both (we were around 700k short by the popular estimates), we could have signed them first, then done the sign and trade to create the TPE.
Your plan doesn't work because when you use cap room, you don't get the full MLE. You get the room MLE, which is the 4.8ish RoLo got, and not enough to pay Hill.
That's factually not true. The TPE was created in the Brogdon trade. Wether we had cap room or not doesn't matter. The TPE counts against the cap so we were forced to renounce it to sign our guys. But the TPE existed.
Edit: To keep the TPE, we had to perform the Brogdon S&T after signing both BroLo and Hill (cause then it wouldn't have mattered that the TPE counts against the cap cause we wouldn't have cap space anyway). Since we couldn't fit BroLo, Hill and Brogdon's cap hold into our space, we couldn't keep it.
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:53 pm
by emunney
LuessiT wrote:emunney wrote:soxperry wrote:Just a random thought.. what is the rule on the TPE? Does it need to fit underneath the cap before you begin to sign all of your birds rights players (in essence, it being treated as a free agent from another team) and did we lose it because we just couldn't make that happen?
If that's the case, it seems like it would have been smarter to sign Robin Lopez with cap room, and sign George Hill with the MLE. That way we would have had 4-5mil left over in cap room.
The TPE can only be generated if you don't have cap room. So we would have had to use our cap room first then do the sign and trade. The problem was that we didn't have room for Brogdon's cap hold to resign Lopez and Hill with our cap space, so the sign and trade came before both signings were complete, and we created a TPE which we then had to renounce in order to use our cap space to sign them.
Had we had enough cap space to sign them both (we were around 700k short by the popular estimates), we could have signed them first, then done the sign and trade to create the TPE.
Your plan doesn't work because when you use cap room, you don't get the full MLE. You get the room MLE, which is the 4.8ish RoLo got, and not enough to pay Hill.
That's factually not true. The TPE was created in the Brogdon trade. Wether we had cap room or not doesn't matter. The TPE counts against the cap so we were forced to renounce it to sign our guys. But the TPE existed.
Thank you for the note, will incorporate into next draft.
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:24 pm
by tski1972
Bonzie needed this guy to help him get his calves in shape...
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:53 pm
by bizarro
The highlight of my Bucks off-season so far...
I direct messaged Pat via his personal website in mid February. I was put in contact with his reps at SixDe6rees (
https://sixdegreesco.com/collections/all) and we agreed on the jersey style. After back and forths on framing in-house it became clear I was going to go local in Fairfield, CT with my mom as the foot soldier, so to speak. Today, they are finished and I have the sweetest b-day present for my pops. He fell in love with Pat’s game in the pre-season. Regardless, I am thrilled with the execution of this plan. The nickname is Is something he and I share.
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:57 pm
by ReasonablySober
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:00 pm
by bizarro
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:01 pm
by ReasonablySober
Uh huh.
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:02 pm
by Chuck Diesel
Maye will be an Oshkosh favorite.
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:18 pm
by JayMKE
Article 10 is just a camp body right? Don't get it tho, he wasn't even good in summer league.
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:20 pm
by DrWood
drone3 wrote:StickeeFingaz wrote:drone3 wrote:Last spot looks like it's going to JR...
What makes you say that?
2. We have a weakness at SG
3. He would fit perfectly into Buds system
What is that weakness? We got too many wings to play now. He hasn't been good in years. He might have one more year in him, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:20 pm
by Chuck Diesel
JayMKE wrote:Is that the last roster spot? Why? He wasn't close to our best summer league guy.
Nah. He’ll be a training camp/Herd guy.
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:43 pm
by jakecronus8
Wish Collison hadn’t retired. He’d be great as the third point and could actually have a solid role here.
Quick questions regarding Giannis’ deal. When can we offer the extension, can we only offer three years, and are there any benefits to him not signing it (I.e. if he hits free agency do our bird rights escalate his potential earnings more?)
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:49 pm
by DrWood
bizarro wrote:Gotta be an Exhibit 10.
That's a month since he first signed. Is this just a repeat?
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:09 am
by Chuck Diesel
In a heated argument with my buddy. Who do you guys think is better, Patrick Beverley or Marcus Smart?
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:28 am
by emunney
Chuck Diesel wrote:In a heated argue with my buddy. Who do you guys think is better, Patrick Beverley or Marcus Smart?
Definitely Bev
Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:50 am
by Frank Nova
Chuck Diesel wrote:In a heated argument with my buddy. Who do you guys think is better, Patrick Beverley or Marcus Smart?
Pat Bev easily for me.
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Re: 2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:52 am
by Matches Malone
Chuck Diesel wrote:In a heated argument with my buddy. Who do you guys think is better, Patrick Beverley or Marcus Smart?
Bev