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Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:01 pm
by randy84
Ray Allen played 26 mins a game at Korver's age and shot 37% from three. I could see Korver playing that type of role.

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:37 pm
by soxperry
randy84 wrote:Ray Allen played 26 mins a game at Korver's age and shot 37% from three. I could see Korver playing that type of role.


lol...

Ray Allen is a completely different kind of player. He's a way better athlete than Korver. Korver is the better shooter but he won't be able to stay on the floor on shooting alone.

The question with Korver is do we lean on him more in the regular season to better enable us to get through 82 games without Giannis having to run through a brick wall every single night, or do we do that another way and save Korver for the playoffs?

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:47 am
by DrWood
soxperry wrote:
randy84 wrote:Ray Allen played 26 mins a game at Korver's age and shot 37% from three. I could see Korver playing that type of role.


lol...

Ray Allen is a completely different kind of player. He's a way better athlete than Korver. Korver is the better shooter but he won't be able to stay on the floor on shooting alone.

The question with Korver is do we lean on him more in the regular season to better enable us to get through 82 games without Giannis having to run through a brick wall every single night, or do we do that another way and save Korver for the playoffs?

Barring injuries to other players, Korver isn't going to get big minutes. I'd be surprised if he gets much more than 20 a game, and I wouldn't be surprised if he plays <= 16 a game.

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:05 am
by BigO
Ray Allen wasn't a great athlete or even a real good one in NBA terms. At 6'5" he had a hard time dunking. Korver will not be held back to "save" him for the playoffs. He will get around 20 minutes a game and not much more in the playoffs, depending on the matchups.

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:28 am
by emunney
BigO wrote:Ray Allen wasn't a great athlete or even a real good one in NBA terms. At 6'5" he had a hard time dunking.


Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're talking about Ray at age 38.

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:41 am
by Chapter29
I don't think Ray would have a hard time dunking right now. He looks like he's in great shape.

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:50 am
by 4xBuck
BigO wrote:Ray Allen wasn't a great athlete or even a real good one in NBA terms. At 6'5" he had a hard time dunking.


:o

Ya know he was in the 1997 dunk contest, right?

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:52 am
by Ill-yasova
BigO wrote:Ray Allen wasn't a great athlete or even a real good one in NBA terms. At 6'5" he had a hard time dunking. Korver will not be held back to "save" him for the playoffs. He will get around 20 minutes a game and not much more in the playoffs, depending on the matchups.

What the **** are you talking about?


Watch on YouTube

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:55 am
by Ill-yasova
emunney wrote:
BigO wrote:Ray Allen wasn't a great athlete or even a real good one in NBA terms. At 6'5" he had a hard time dunking.


Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're talking about Ray at age 38.

That was not what he meant...

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:58 am
by emunney
Ill-yasova wrote:
emunney wrote:
BigO wrote:Ray Allen wasn't a great athlete or even a real good one in NBA terms. At 6'5" he had a hard time dunking.


Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're talking about Ray at age 38.

That was not what he meant...


Heavy on the benefit and light on the doubt.

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:59 am
by RiotPunch
BigO is Ernie Grunfeld conspiracy theory developing?

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:02 am
by MickeyDavis
Ray is in my top 5 favorite Bucks. Ray was a great shooter. Little to no defense and certainly not a great athlete.

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:03 am
by RiotPunch
MickeyDavis wrote:Ray is in my top 5 favorite Bucks. Ray was a great shooter. Little to no defense and certainly not a great athlete.

Great athlete, maybe not, but he did not have a hard time dunking. Not as hard a time as 6'8'' Khris anyway.

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:05 am
by MickeyDavis
RiotPunch wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:Ray is in my top 5 favorite Bucks. Ray was a great shooter. Little to no defense and certainly not a great athlete.

Great athlete, maybe not, but he did not have a hard time dunking. Not as hard a time as 6'8'' Khris anyway.


Yeah he could definitely dunk. Not much of a finisher. But his role was shooter and he was so damn smooth.

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:18 am
by WRau1
Ray Allen was an above average athlete coming into the league, I can't even believe this is a debate.

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:26 am
by worthlessBucks
Ray has always kept in great shape and he's a bit OCD in terms of working out. Great athlete. Korver is not a mobile fellow these days, no comparison between the two at all athletically. He definitely moves like he's carrying the weight of the sins of people who existed hundreds of years ago. Open 3's, it's golden.

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:41 am
by LittleRooster
RiotPunch wrote:BigO is Ernie Grunfeld conspiracy theory developing?


I can see the article now...
(A bright white cloud and music signals going back in time)

February 20, 2003 (actually published three days later because the JS staff was getting prepared for the Packers draft)
ALL STAR PAYTON, ATHLETIC MASON HEAD TO MILWAUKEE
By Michael Hunt

Stunning fans, the Bucks traded Ray Allen, Kevin Ollie, Ronald Murray, and a future 1st round pick to the Seattle Supersonics in a deal that netted the Bucks all star Gary Payton and dunk contestant Desmond Mason.
"Obviously when you trade a player like Ray it hurts.'" Bucks general manager Ernie Grunfeld said. "But getting a future hall of famer like Payton, who is playoff tested, and getting better athletically with Mason, helps us today and moving forward in the future."
When asked if Mason's dunking ability intrigued the Bucks, Grunfeld said, "Absolutely, how could it not? That's the direction the league is moving in and we needed to add someone like that to our roster."
Does that mean the Bucks didn't view Allen as an athletic player?
"Of course not, but Ray's strength is as a shooter. Mason certainly has no trouble getting his dunks off."
The Bucks hope to recapture the magic of their 2001 run by reuniting Payton with coach George Karl, whom both lead Seattle to the NBA Finals in 1996.

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:11 am
by neiLz
Put the "ray Allen is not a great athlete" up there with the "Calvin Johnson is not a great receiver " and "yelich is Geoff Jenkins".

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:22 am
by MickeyDavis
I watched Ray try to play defense his whole career. Not much athleticism on that end of the court. Better athlete than Middleton? Sure. It's a low bar though.

Re: Woj: Bucks Sign Kyle Korver

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:25 am
by dsilby
I think I'm all alone on this thought. I have read on here and on twitter and FB that Korver is a regular season signing and won't give much in the playoffs.
I literally think it's the opposite.

I don't think the Bucks need Kyle for the regular season, this team can win enough games without him.
I see this move as a strict playoff move. The Bucks had literally nobody they could count on vs the Raptors to hit a damn 3. Now they have another guy with NBA Finals experience that they're hoping can hit that big playoff shot they so desperately need.