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PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks

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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#161 » by brettski » Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:25 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:This Philly team is very weird. Would like the NBA stat guys to find a team with such a disparate home-road record. That just doesn’t add up.

Kept watching their shooting percentages hover in the 25-30% range all night, and they really never had the grit to break out of it.


Maybe a mediocre Denver team where the home court advantage was enough to boost their win record but they were just mediocre enough that on the road they sucked?
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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#162 » by tedbrogen » Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:54 pm

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DavidDunn21 wrote:The good: Khris and Giannis.

The bad:
As usual, my takes.


Just admit you either don't watch the games or that Khris Middleton stole your lunch money once.
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Everyone, just block DavidDunn. He's a troll with some bizarre anti-Midds agenda. The board is so much better once I blocked him.
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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#163 » by Shaffty » Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:57 pm

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25 points on 15 shots in 31 minutes to whoop the sixers isnt enough for you? lol you wont be satisfied with this until Khris is Kobe or some ****. What are you shaqs dad?

theyll win the finals and youll post 'Yeah but Khris didnt even win FMVP he could've been more aggressive.' Just sit back and realize we are in the midst of the greatest season of the Bucks we will ever watch and we need to just enjoy it together. We are wholping teams and we are letting these outside fans get in our heads, every one gets to say 'reagular season wins dont matter' but dont let them make that the case when youre the one winning all of them.

Just smile that we are here for once


Nevermind that the Bucks were +27 in the 31 minutes when Khris was on the court and -6 in the 17 minutes he was off the court. Somehow he did not help get the +27 when he was on the court even though he went for 25/9 in the 31 minutes on 15 shots.

At least it is down to 1 guy and not overtaking every damn thread any more.

This was a statement game for us. The major question worth asking IN THE REGULAR SEASON are whether Khris has really leveled up or if we are simply watching an extended hot streak. We should beat the fully loaded Sixers at home on rest anyway, but once Simmons went out this became just another night's work for everyone.

If you guys can't grasp the nuance of observing when a player gets his points under what context, I don't know what to tell you. It's interesting how we get leads. It's interesting how we lose leads. It matters. If Khris continues to be the kind of closer who will push a ten point lead to 18 in the 3rd Quarter, that's a super important thing, right? We can all agree that's a super impactful skill.

It's not the same thing as being occasionally (when he's feeling it) the reason we jump out to a 12-2 start, and then the guy who saves our bacon when we are down 8 in the fourth. What Khris did last night was hang around in the first half, commit a few silly turnovers early in the second, and then score 17 points in the second half when we were leading anywhere from 10-25 points. And that's fine. The reason I'm generally more confident in him this year is he is moving better on defense because he is in shape, which significantly raises his floor. But the rest of this remains to be seen.

We've got the Raptors and the Heat coming up, that'll be interesting


so now you are mad at him because GIannis is the 1? GIannis is the first option so he gets it started, than he goes to the bench, usually with a lead because Giannis is really good. So its a 8-12 point lead, than Khris takes over with Giannis out and pushes it further because he is also good. Its hilarious you are here complaining about this.
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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#164 » by tedbrogen » Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:02 pm

Daver wrote:My question is would this game of been different if simmons didnt get hurt dude had 5 points in 5 mins


My question is would Philly be better if Elton Brand decided to construct a roster with an actual backup PG instead of giving $27M a year to a backup center?
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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#165 » by tedbrogen » Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:05 pm

Shaffty wrote:
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hege53190 wrote:
Nevermind that the Bucks were +27 in the 31 minutes when Khris was on the court and -6 in the 17 minutes he was off the court. Somehow he did not help get the +27 when he was on the court even though he went for 25/9 in the 31 minutes on 15 shots.

At least it is down to 1 guy and not overtaking every damn thread any more.


I have an anti-Midds agenda and despite Khris actually being worth more than his contract, I cannot waiver, because reasons.


so now you are mad at him because GIannis is the 1? GIannis is the first option so he gets it started, than he goes to the bench, usually with a lead because Giannis is really good. So its a 8-12 point lead, than Khris takes over with Giannis out and pushes it further because he is also good. Its hilarious you are here complaining about this.


Don't feed the troll toll.

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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#166 » by Ayt » Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:19 pm

tedbrogen wrote:
Daver wrote:My question is would this game of been different if simmons didnt get hurt dude had 5 points in 5 mins


My question is would Philly be better if Elton Brand decided to construct a roster with an actual backup PG instead of giving $27M a year to a backup center?


They could have gone after Brogdon to get another shooter and playmaker and played Tobes at PF.
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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#167 » by 0BobLobLaw0 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:30 am

tedbrogen wrote:
HaroldinGMinor wrote:
DavidDunn21 wrote:The good: Khris and Giannis.

The bad:
As usual, my takes.


Just admit you either don't watch the games or that Khris Middleton stole your lunch money once.
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Everyone, just block DavidDunn. He's a troll with some bizarre anti-Midds agenda. The board is so much better once I blocked him.


Agree..just wish that blocking also prevents from seeing quoted replies.
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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#168 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:22 am

tedbrogen wrote:
Daver wrote:My question is would this game of been different if simmons didnt get hurt dude had 5 points in 5 mins


My question is would Philly be better if Elton Brand decided to construct a roster with an actual backup PG instead of giving $27M a year to a backup center?


They have the same problem with Tobias. Listening to the Rickey Sanchez podcast today, and both guys were grousing that they probably could have gotten the same type of play and production out of Marcus Morris for $12 million a year versus Tobias at $35mm per.
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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#169 » by jute2003 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:25 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
tedbrogen wrote:
Daver wrote:My question is would this game of been different if simmons didnt get hurt dude had 5 points in 5 mins


My question is would Philly be better if Elton Brand decided to construct a roster with an actual backup PG instead of giving $27M a year to a backup center?


They have the same problem with Tobias. Listening to the Rickey Sanchez podcast today, and both guys were grousing that they probably could have gotten the same type of play and production out of Marcus Morris for $12 million a year versus Tobias at $35mm per.
Simmons for a PG and a shooter would go a long ways towards balancing that roster.
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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#170 » by WRau1 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:35 am

jute2003 wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
tedbrogen wrote:
My question is would Philly be better if Elton Brand decided to construct a roster with an actual backup PG instead of giving $27M a year to a backup center?


They have the same problem with Tobias. Listening to the Rickey Sanchez podcast today, and both guys were grousing that they probably could have gotten the same type of play and production out of Marcus Morris for $12 million a year versus Tobias at $35mm per.
Simmons for a PG and a shooter would go a long ways towards balancing that roster.


SAC doesn't appear to know what they're doing. Ever. I'd try to get Fox and Hield for Simmons.
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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#171 » by tedbrogen » Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:46 am

jute2003 wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
tedbrogen wrote:
My question is would Philly be better if Elton Brand decided to construct a roster with an actual backup PG instead of giving $27M a year to a backup center?


They have the same problem with Tobias. Listening to the Rickey Sanchez podcast today, and both guys were grousing that they probably could have gotten the same type of play and production out of Marcus Morris for $12 million a year versus Tobias at $35mm per.
Simmons for a PG and a shooter would go a long ways towards balancing that roster.


I do hope they do that. While it would make them somewhat more well balanced and allow Embiid to play in the post all the time (which he should), it caps their ceiling at whatever Joel's mood is for the day. Not to mention, it severely hurts their defense and the open court play.

It would turn them into a super soft, less defensive minded, 94 Knicks, but built around a guy who has played like 40% of his eligible NBA games instead of a warrior like Ewing.
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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#172 » by Jez2983 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:59 am

tedbrogen wrote:
jute2003 wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
They have the same problem with Tobias. Listening to the Rickey Sanchez podcast today, and both guys were grousing that they probably could have gotten the same type of play and production out of Marcus Morris for $12 million a year versus Tobias at $35mm per.
Simmons for a PG and a shooter would go a long ways towards balancing that roster.


I do hope they do that. While it would make them somewhat more well balanced and allow Embiid to play in the post all the time (which he should), it caps their ceiling at whatever Joel's mood is for the day. Not to mention, it severely hurts their defense and the open court play.

It would turn them into a super soft, less defensive minded, 94 Knicks, but built around a guy who has played like 40% of his eligible NBA games instead of a warrior like Ewing.


Simmons is absolutely the guy they should build around. Have him play point forward and surround by shooters. Hell Horford could be the C in that lineup. They could do a passable Bucks impression.
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Post#173 » by Jez2983 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:01 am

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It takes a mature person to admit when they're wrong. The stakes are pretty high here though. It is the internet after all.
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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#174 » by Pachinko_ » Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:52 am

jute2003 wrote:Simmons for a PG and a shooter would go a long ways towards balancing that roster.

They had Redick, Bellineli, Ilyasova, Shamet and Covington and let them all go, and only by mistake they're still keeping Korkmaz.
I don't think they understand the importance of shooters.
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Post#175 » by TroyD92 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:54 am

Wilson for Korkmaz, does brand say no??
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Post#176 » by Pachinko_ » Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:56 am

The Kork would be massive in Bud's system
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Post#177 » by DrWood » Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:12 am

Pachinko_ wrote:The Kork would be massive in Bud's system

iirc, he was available at the end of the year and decided to go back to Philly. I probably would have rather had him than Matthews
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Post#178 » by Je K » Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:25 am

Pachinko_ wrote:The Kork would be massive in Bud's system

The fun part about Korkmaz is that we have like 3 of him
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Re: PG Philly: Liberty Bell showing more cracks 

Post#179 » by KingWing » Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:56 am

Going from Matthews to Korkmaz would be a severe defensive downgrade (assuming my euro shooting specialist=poor defender bias is accurate).
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Pachinko_ wrote:The Kork would be massive in Bud's system

iirc, he was available at the end of the year and decided to go back to Philly. I probably would have rather had him than Matthews


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Post#180 » by DrWood » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:01 am

KingWing wrote:Going from Matthews to Korkmaz would be a severe defensive downgrade (assuming my euro shooting specialist=poor defender bias is accurate).
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Pachinko_ wrote:The Kork would be massive in Bud's system

iirc, he was available at the end of the year and decided to go back to Philly. I probably would have rather had him than Matthews


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hard to know how he'd play in our system, but he's a guy you can keep for the long haul and develop. At lower cost.

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