ATL - Season Resumes page 87

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #1481 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Wed May 20, 2020 11:56 pm

JayMKE wrote:What they're doing in European soccer seems like total overkill

What are they doing? Saw they had 6 positive cases even with it.

The playoffs are a risk (literally) 1 billion dollar endeavor. All it takes is for Giannis to test positive and the at-risk population (coach pop, diantoni, Vince, etc) and it all falls apart. Even if it's overkill on an individual basis, one person like Harden going to the strip club will f-it all up.

MoreTrife · Post #1482 » by **MoreTrife** » Thu May 21, 2020 12:03 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:
MoreTrife wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:
Still wise words

Just be quiet until we know one way or another. Can't wait for you to be wrong. If you're right, no one needs to hear about it every other day, especially in the clown way you are doing it.

EDIT: And just billowing smoke that there WILL be a season yet you're acting like you're some top secret insider who will be proven right. Your reason for all this talk of starting season is what...keep the country's hopes up? Like words sustain us but they'll pull the rug out at the last second so we have a few weeks of good vibe talks of starting?

Whether I’m wrong or not you can still suck my billowing insider smoke.

Nah bitch

Bucksfan28 · Post #1483 » by **Bucksfan28** » Thu May 21, 2020 12:13 am

DingleJerry wrote:
Bucksfan28 wrote:So youre telling me Michael 6-0 Jordan couldnt overcome a scottie pippen migraine? Bum.

wait, so it's more difficult to win if you don't have another top 5 player on your team. Hmm, seems that's a notch for LBJ then huh

Man if the warriors never signed KD, LBJ wouldve won three straight rings Im sure of it.

jschligs · Post #1484 » by **jschligs** » Thu May 21, 2020 12:57 am

Bucksfan28 wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:
Bucksfan28 wrote:So youre telling me Michael 6-0 Jordan couldnt overcome a scottie pippen migraine? Bum.

wait, so it's more difficult to win if you don't have another top 5 player on your team. Hmm, seems that's a notch for LBJ then huh

Man if the warriors never signed KD, LBJ wouldve won three straight rings Im sure of it.

The concept of if KD has signed with OKC that summer, what would've happened the next 2 years would've been fun. Would OKC top GSW in the WCF (probably not), who would the Warriors have signed that off-season? Would Lebron and the Cavs been able to win one more? I don't know, fun **** to think about instead of the age old debate over MJ vs Lebron. An argument that will never be settled.

DingleJerry · Post #1485 » by **DingleJerry** » Thu May 21, 2020 1:03 am

Yea it's a heck of an alternate timeline if KD stays. You kind of get the dream even-ish teams of Cavs, GSW, OKC, Houston, Spurs. Them not rounding the cap really messed things up

tonyreyes123 · Post #1486 » by **tonyreyes123** » Thu May 21, 2020 1:39 am

DingleJerry wrote:Yea it's a heck of an alternate timeline if KD stays. You kind of get the dream even-ish teams of Cavs, GSW, OKC, Houston, Spurs. Them not rounding the cap really messed things up

That will always be the biggest bitch move in the history of the NBA, I think he'd have 0 rings rn if he never went to GS

Post #1487 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu May 21, 2020 1:44 am

Still will never get the animosity towards players who want to upgrade their situation.

You could stay in bum-f*ck OKC on a team with perpetual terrible teammate Russell Westbrook, or you could go to maybe the best market in the country, play in a system built around sharing the ball, and win rings.

Tough decision.

Wonka · Post #1488 » by **Wonka** » Thu May 21, 2020 2:42 am

ReasonablySober wrote:Still will never get the animosity towards players who want to upgrade their situation.

You could stay in bum-f*ck OKC on a team with perpetual terrible teammate Russell Westbrook, or you could go to maybe the best market in the country, play in a system built around sharing the ball, and win rings.

Tough decision.

No one cares that he left OKC. At all. They care that he joined arguably the best team in NBA history after they had beaten his ass in the playoffs the year before. It would be like if Jordan joined the Bad Boy Pistons in his prime because getting over the hump was “too hard” for him.

Durant is soft and sensitive, and beyond that, he took the easiest way to a ring in NBA history. His legacy will forever be defined by that move. You’re entitled to your opinion of course, but you’re also leaving out valuable context. People don’t respect KD as a competitor for good reason.

Post #1489 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu May 21, 2020 2:47 am

Wonka wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Still will never get the animosity towards players who want to upgrade their situation.

You could stay in bum-f*ck OKC on a team with perpetual terrible teammate Russell Westbrook, or you could go to maybe the best market in the country, play in a system built around sharing the ball, and win rings.

Tough decision.

No one cares that he left OKC. At all. They care that he joined arguably the best team in NBA history after they had beaten his ass in the playoffs the year before. It would be like if Jordan joined the Bad Boy Pistons in his prime because getting over the hump was “too hard” for him.

Durant is soft and sensitive, and beyond that, he took the easiest way to a ring in NBA history. His legacy will forever be defined by that move. You’re entitled to your opinion of course, but you’re also leaving out valuable context. No one respects KD as a competitor for good reason.

He didn't go from Chicago to Detroit. It wasn't like he was downgrading at all in his living situation. He went to the freakin' Bay. If you were ridiculously wealthy and had a choice in living where you wanted to, SF is gonna be right there at the top. Detroit is at the bottom.

Second, he wasn't going to a team that played ugly-ass basketball and won their games by mugging people. He went to the team playing the most aesthetically pleasing brand of ball ever. His game went from frustrating to easy.

Who wouldn't want that in their own life?

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1490 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu May 21, 2020 3:13 am

tonyreyes123 wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:Yea it's a heck of an alternate timeline if KD stays. You kind of get the dream even-ish teams of Cavs, GSW, OKC, Houston, Spurs. Them not rounding the cap really messed things up

That will always be the biggest bitch move in the history of the NBA, I think he'd have 0 rings rn if he never went to GS

If you don't think he would have won a ring had he not went there then shouldn't you consider it a smart move not a bitch one.

Personally I wish he hadn't went there because I like competitive playoffs but hey it's his life and he was a FA so I respect his right to do what he pleases with his career.

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Wonka · Post #1491 » by **Wonka** » Thu May 21, 2020 3:38 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
Wonka wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Still will never get the animosity towards players who want to upgrade their situation.

You could stay in bum-f*ck OKC on a team with perpetual terrible teammate Russell Westbrook, or you could go to maybe the best market in the country, play in a system built around sharing the ball, and win rings.

Tough decision.

No one cares that he left OKC. At all. They care that he joined arguably the best team in NBA history after they had beaten his ass in the playoffs the year before. It would be like if Jordan joined the Bad Boy Pistons in his prime because getting over the hump was “too hard” for him.

Durant is soft and sensitive, and beyond that, he took the easiest way to a ring in NBA history. His legacy will forever be defined by that move. You’re entitled to your opinion of course, but you’re also leaving out valuable context. No one respects KD as a competitor for good reason.

He didn't go from Chicago to Detroit. It wasn't like he was downgrading at all in his living situation. He went to the freakin' Bay. If you were ridiculously wealthy and had a choice in living where you wanted to, SF is gonna be right there at the top. Detroit is at the bottom.

Second, he wasn't going to a team that played ugly-ass basketball and won their games by mugging people. He went to the team playing the most aesthetically pleasing brand of ball ever. His game went from frustrating to easy.

Who wouldn't want that in their own life?

Basketball fans don’t care about living situation as it relates to joining a team that just knocked you out of the playoffs in historically embarrassing fashion. Your argument that his game went from frustrating to easy doesn’t help his cause. That’s the main issue people have with him going to Golden State. Taking the easy way out. Getting the easy ring. I’m not saying I don’t see where he was coming from, but I am saying that it was a weak move for both the league and his own legacy.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #1492 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Thu May 21, 2020 4:13 am

Nobody was mad when Rodman joined Jordan's Bulls. Nobody discredits reigning MVP Moses Malone for joining the NBA Finalist 76ers. Nobody blinked an eye when perennial all star LaMarcus Aldridge joined the perennial contender Spurs a year after they eliminated his Blazers in the playoffs. Or when Ray Allen joined LeBron's Heat after they eliminated his Celtics. Nobody ever complained about the countless other similar Durant-like instances. Players don't get criticized for joining good teams or teams that beat them in the playoffs or teams that had the best record in the league. It doesn't happen except that one season with Durant. And of course nobody praised Durant for leaving a dream situation in Golden State to go to mediocre Brooklyn.

Let's just call the Kevin Durant hate what it is. Durant's signing made the Warriors the prohibitive favorite and fans didn't enjoy it. Durant is the easy scapegoat and the media ran with their narrative. People are actually mad at the players for refusing to smooth the salary cap when the massive TV deal kicked in which allowed one of the best teams in the league to sign one of the best players in the league. They hate the situation. They take their frustration out on Durant but this isn't about Durant. Durant signing with Golden State was the product of a very unique situation that couldn't happen any other season. Any player would've done the same thing in his shoes but he happened to be the best free agent that year.

ejn1214 · Post #1493 » by **ejn1214** » Thu May 21, 2020 5:05 am

ElPeregrino wrote:Nobody was mad when Rodman joined Jordan's Bulls. Nobody discredits reigning MVP Moses Malone for joining the NBA Finalist 76ers. Nobody blinked an eye when perennial all star LaMarcus Aldridge joined the perennial contender Spurs a year after they eliminated his Blazers in the playoffs. Or when Ray Allen joined LeBron's Heat after they eliminated his Celtics. Nobody ever complained about the countless other similar Durant-like instances. Players don't get criticized for joining good teams or teams that beat them in the playoffs or teams that had the best record in the league. It doesn't happen except that one season with Durant. And of course nobody praised Durant for leaving a dream situation in Golden State to go to mediocre Brooklyn.

Let's just call the Kevin Durant hate what it is. Durant's signing made the Warriors the prohibitive favorite and fans didn't enjoy it. Durant is the easy scapegoat and the media ran with their narrative. People are actually mad at the players for refusing to smooth the salary cap when the massive TV deal kicked in which allowed one of the best teams in the league to sign one of the best players in the league. They hate the situation. They take their frustration out on Durant but this isn't about Durant. Durant signing with Golden State was the product of a very unique situation that couldn't happen any other season. Any player would've done the same thing in his shoes but he happened to be the best free agent that year.

I'm not old enough to know anything about Moses Malone, but everyone else you listed is not even a close comparison. Ray Allen was a role player at that point in his career (a great one), Rodman a great role player, and Aldridge a fringe all star. You comparing them to Durant, a top 3 player in the league at that point, seems kind of silly. Some of what you say I agree with in the second paragraph. I understand he is very sensitive and lashed out after people went after him, but he has done a lot for people to hate him other than going to GS. He seemed to be quiet in OKC, but once he started talking so much in GS he was super easy to hate.

blazza18 · Post #1494 » by **blazza18** » Thu May 21, 2020 5:14 am

DingleJerry wrote:Yea it's a heck of an alternate timeline if KD stays. You kind of get the dream even-ish teams of Cavs, GSW, OKC, Houston, Spurs. Them not rounding the cap really messed things up

Sure Ethan Strauss mentioned on a podcast that the Warriors would've been able to get him regardless. Different team obviously but the Warriors were likely always gonna get him.

Nowak008 · Post #1495 » by **Nowak008** » Thu May 21, 2020 5:49 am

ReasonablySober wrote:Still will never get the animosity towards players who want to upgrade their situation.

You could stay in bum-f*ck OKC on a team with perpetual terrible teammate Russell Westbrook, or you could go to maybe the best market in the country, play in a system built around sharing the ball, and win rings.

Tough decision.

That's the thing - he didn't upgrade his situation. Durant went to a spot that got him branded a coward - rightfully so.

With the cap space bump, Durant could have gone to any team in the league. He ended up picking the worst imaginable spot. A decision that was obviously terrible in the moment for everyone involved - Durant and the entire NBA.

Like people said in this thread, we were in a golden age of basketball, and Durant completely wrecked it.

Nowak008 · Post #1496 » by **Nowak008** » Thu May 21, 2020 5:54 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
Who wouldn't want that in their own life?

Also - when you get to a certain point in your life... your life doesn't belong to you 100%. Take Obama for example. He could literally do anything he wants in the world... like I am sure he would love to own an NBA team...but he can't because he has responsibilities, a legacy to uphold, and has to be role model etc..

When you are a top 3 MVP NBA player you can't just wreck the league because you want to live in San Francisco. It's nonsense.

Nowak008 · Post #1497 » by **Nowak008** » Thu May 21, 2020 5:56 am

blazza18 wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:Yea it's a heck of an alternate timeline if KD stays. You kind of get the dream even-ish teams of Cavs, GSW, OKC, Houston, Spurs. Them not rounding the cap really messed things up

Sure Ethan Strauss mentioned on a podcast that the Warriors would've been able to get him regardless. Different team obviously but the Warriors were likely always gonna get him.

Where did Strauss get this info from Joe Lacob? :roll:

RRyder823 · Post #1498 » by **RRyder823** » Thu May 21, 2020 6:09 am

Are people still pretending they don't understand why Durant got hate for going to GS?....... Sure you can not agree with it but acting like you don't understand the rationale for the hate is the equivalent of sticking your head in the sand

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rilamann · Post #1499 » by **rilamann** » Thu May 21, 2020 6:52 am

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blazza18 · Post #1500 » by **blazza18** » Thu May 21, 2020 7:07 am

Nowak008 wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:Yea it's a heck of an alternate timeline if KD stays. You kind of get the dream even-ish teams of Cavs, GSW, OKC, Houston, Spurs. Them not rounding the cap really messed things up

Sure Ethan Strauss mentioned on a podcast that the Warriors would've been able to get him regardless. Different team obviously but the Warriors were likely always gonna get him.

Where did Strauss get this info from Joe Lacob?

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