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There are 2 big picture issues that the government-federal and in many cases states have failed to prepare for and then implement:
1) The threat of a pandemic has been touted for the last two years-some governments (not many) prepared for it and most did not. In the US, rather than increase funding for the CDC, we cut it. Rather than stockpile PPEs, we did nothing. And then when it was apparent to anyone who follows science that it was coming, our leaders downplayed it, made fun of it and made it a political issue.
2) As the pandemic hit, many governors did nothing. Their inaction killed people. Even now, we have politicians in this state who made people choose between their health and voting. And we have a Supreme Court, both in the state and US, who are complicit in the deaths of people.
So, while it is true that no one should be blamed for the spread of the virus to the US, other than possibly the Chinese government, the number of deaths could have been prevented by politicians who put people first,
1) The threat of a pandemic has been touted for the last two years-some governments (not many) prepared for it and most did not. In the US, rather than increase funding for the CDC, we cut it. Rather than stockpile PPEs, we did nothing. And then when it was apparent to anyone who follows science that it was coming, our leaders downplayed it, made fun of it and made it a political issue.
2) As the pandemic hit, many governors did nothing. Their inaction killed people. Even now, we have politicians in this state who made people choose between their health and voting. And we have a Supreme Court, both in the state and US, who are complicit in the deaths of people.
So, while it is true that no one should be blamed for the spread of the virus to the US, other than possibly the Chinese government, the number of deaths could have been prevented by politicians who put people first,
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Erifee wrote:skones wrote:There's no need to continue, given the "estimations." I'm not going to sit here and explain this further than I have as you insist on strawmanning what I'm saying. Nobody said the lack of supplies was THE inaction. It's a symptom of the inaction.
Don't bother. The specifics are exhausting to list and unlikely to persuade people who will just move the goalposts when you bring up nurses wearing garbage bags in the ICU. This is enough:
We're the richest country on the planet. We had more time to prepare than others. To be at the point we are now--in absolute terms or relative to other countries--is an unmitigated failure on the part of those in charge of protecting public health. We. Should. Not. Be. At. This. Point.
Anyone shoehorning "a lot of this death toll was unavoidable" into a discussion about the response is willfully ignorant and won't be persuaded with relevant information. They might change their mind years later without realizing it and agree with whatever consensus is formed in the aftermath (best case), or simply put the nasty business of actually assigning responsibility for this failure into the memory hole, never to be mentioned again.
Basically all of the developed world is having these problems such as lack of PPE.
Trust me, I’m not one that called this the flu and is moving the goalposts but the truth is we have no numbers to tell how any of this is hurting us and almost every problem with America is happening to every other developed country.
I have no issue with complaints as to how our government reacted but perspective of basically everyone else failing other than Korea and a few others (Better equipped going into this).
Instead, it’s just, “wow, look at that big number. 20,000 is a really big number therefore the US sucks and is so bad. I’m going to make sure that I put this in context of 9/11s to sensationalize this even more for myself.
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The real irony here is that he's the one removing context from the 20,000, in that this is just the beginning.
I don't know how anyone can look at how our government has reacted when you've got 50 governors running around like chickens with their heads cut off making individual decisions for their individual states. You don't address a crisis with a complete lack of uniformity.
I don't know how anyone can look at how our government has reacted when you've got 50 governors running around like chickens with their heads cut off making individual decisions for their individual states. You don't address a crisis with a complete lack of uniformity.
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This thoroughly extensive article painstakingly details what we could've done.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html
He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus
An examination reveals the president was warned about the potential for a pandemic but that internal divisions, lack of planning and his faith in his own instincts led to a halting response.
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Saw a good one on F=book today from a nutso relative: Doctors are being pressured to change cause of death to Covid in order to jack up the mortality rate
I wonder who is pressuring them? George Soros?
I wonder who is pressuring them? George Soros?
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skones wrote:I don't know how anyone can look at how our government has reacted when you've got 50 governors running around like chickens with their heads cut off making individual decisions for their individual states. You don't address a crisis with a complete lack of uniformity.
Why should the governor of Montana enact the same rules as the governor of New York?
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Mags FTW wrote:skones wrote:I don't know how anyone can look at how our government has reacted when you've got 50 governors running around like chickens with their heads cut off making individual decisions for their individual states. You don't address a crisis with a complete lack of uniformity.
Why should the governor of Montana enact the same rules as the governor of New York?
Because then you have situations like Wyoming and Utah who have no stay at home order with people just living their lives, spreading the virus, causing unnecessary deaths down the line, and the cluster **** that was SPRING BREAK 2020!! in Florida spreading the virus to god knows where.
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Maybe a dumb question but since this basically a version of SARS why didn't they just call it that from the beginning? Seems like people might have taken it more seriously and the whole 'its a flu' thing wouldn't have sprung up.
On the reporting I saw this interesting tweet about Texas and classify deaths.
?s=19
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On the reporting I saw this interesting tweet about Texas and classify deaths.
?s=19
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skones wrote:Mags FTW wrote:Deaths per capita yesterday:
USA - 1 per 161k
Spain- 1 per 75k
Italy - 1 per 135k
France - 1 per 68k
Germany - 1 per 643k
UK - 1 per 68k
Belgium - 1 per 24k
There are 20 thousand people dead in this country because of this RIGHT NOW because of the inaction of our own government, and that number will increase dramatically. You're posting per capita numbers (and before the death tolls REALLY hit).
Let me be frank when I say, WHO THE **** CARES?
Why haven't you been raging about the flu in prior years? We have 3-4x more annually that die.
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PresentedBy wrote:skones wrote:Mags FTW wrote:Deaths per capita yesterday:
USA - 1 per 161k
Spain- 1 per 75k
Italy - 1 per 135k
France - 1 per 68k
Germany - 1 per 643k
UK - 1 per 68k
Belgium - 1 per 24k
There are 20 thousand people dead in this country because of this RIGHT NOW because of the inaction of our own government, and that number will increase dramatically. You're posting per capita numbers (and before the death tolls REALLY hit).
Let me be frank when I say, WHO THE **** CARES?
Why haven't you been raging about the flu in prior years? We have 3-4x more annually that die.
There’s a flu vaccine and the flu isn’t as severe an illness as Covid-19.
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skones wrote:Mags FTW wrote:skones wrote:I don't know how anyone can look at how our government has reacted when you've got 50 governors running around like chickens with their heads cut off making individual decisions for their individual states. You don't address a crisis with a complete lack of uniformity.
Why should the governor of Montana enact the same rules as the governor of New York?
Because then you have situations like Wyoming and Utah who have no stay at home order with people just living their lives
Who says they have to do that just because there's no order? They can ask to work from home, wear masks and gloves, self quarantine, etc.
And the cluster **** that was SPRING BREAK 2020!! in Florida spreading the virus to god knows where.
Well then, you're basically advocating for a lockdown of hotspots on the city or metro level if you don't want people spreading it to other parts of the country.
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I was addressing the original poster, but does a vaccine mean global immunity? You might want to look up effectiveness rates. I was speaking to severity, not frequency.
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trwi7 wrote:PresentedBy wrote:skones wrote:
There are 20 thousand people dead in this country because of this RIGHT NOW because of the inaction of our own government, and that number will increase dramatically. You're posting per capita numbers (and before the death tolls REALLY hit).
Let me be frank when I say, WHO THE **** CARES?
Why haven't you been raging about the flu in prior years? We have 3-4x more annually that die.
There’s a flu vaccine and the flu isn’t as severe an illness as Covid-19.
What's the effectiveness of the flu vaccine? It's an easy Google. And no one yet knows the severity of COVID. No credible denominator.
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PresentedBy wrote:
Why haven't you been raging about the flu in prior years? We have 3-4x more annually that die.
When's the last time the flu spread like this and killed 90,000 people in just 16 days?
March 20th Deaths:
Covid-19: 20,000
Flu: 120,000
April 11th Deaths
Covid-19: 109,000
Flu: 135,000
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skones wrote:PresentedBy wrote:
Why haven't you been raging about the flu in prior years? We have 3-4x more annually that die.
When's the last time the flu spread like this and killed 90,000 people in just 16 days?
Pretty sure it was last year... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
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PresentedBy wrote:skones wrote:PresentedBy wrote:
Why haven't you been raging about the flu in prior years? We have 3-4x more annually that die.
When's the last time the flu spread like this and killed 90,000 people in just 16 days?
Pretty sure it was last year... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
Did you read your own link?
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So... if you test more people you get more positive results, and there is a financial incentive to list the cause of death as COVID, that death rate will rise? I am shocked.
WI hospitals are currently empty.
WI hospitals are currently empty.
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Please share the effectiveness rate of the flu vaccine, with source? I don't want to share false information.
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WI hospitals are currently empty.
That's definitely not true. Stop sharing misinformation.
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Financial incentive?PresentedBy wrote:So... if you test more people you get more positive results, and there is a financial incentive to list the cause of death as COVID, that death rate will rise? I am shocked.
WI hospitals are currently empty.
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