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Round 3, Game 4 - Bucks/Heat - 9/6 - 2:30 CST, 10:30 PM Athens, 5:30 am Sydney - ABC 

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Re: Round 3, Game 4 - Bucks/Heat - 9/6 - 2:30 CST, 10:30 PM Athens, 5:30 am Sydney - ABC 

Post#3 » by MissKhriddleton » Sat Sep 5, 2020 8:05 pm

On March 1st the Bucks grinded out a Sunday afternoon win 93-85 against the Charlotte Hornets (21-38) to improve their record to 52-8. A 71 win pace. Giannis put up 41, 20, and 6 on 17/28 shooting. Their historic streak of scoring 100 in consecutive regular season games ended. They would travel to Miami for a back to back the following night.

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SupremeHustle wrote:Black uniforms on a Sunday afternoon and yet they still won? Either the world is about to end or the Bucks are winning it all.

paulpressey25 wrote:Feel like that might have been Giannis best game this year. Played it one on five.

CharityStripe34 wrote:
BUCKnation wrote:Giannis having a more than respectable short to mid jumper rn is letting him work that pump fake up and under.


If he keeps developing his mid-post fades going either left or right it'll open up his game even more than simply adding a three-point shot (which is obviously important). No one can block his shot on his release point and it'll make his life way easier in a hotly contested playoff game when teams will park 2-3 defenders near the paint. It coincides nicely with his improvement and addition of low and mid post play. Bud's implementation of Gianni and Middleton using the entire court to work their game is a low-key excellent coaching decision.

After watching the highlights this was a clinic. His low-block footwork is getting better as is his decision making in reading the defense. Like having the timing to drive baseline or work toward the middle. His talent and ability are awe inspiring to be sure, but I'm noticing so many little nuances that he's added and improved in that is a joy to watch.

FrieAaron wrote:_______ are Milwaukee's biggest threat to a championship:

  1. The Lakers
  2. The Clippers
  3. The Celtics
  4. The Nuggets
  5. Afternoon start times

steger_3434 wrote:Giannis with only 34 minutes in a close game with out other all star out. Meanwhile all the other top teams play their guys 40 minutes in close games. But we are the only team trying? Yup

greekbuck34 wrote:Tomorrow we will probably have our worst game of the season or on par with the Christmas game.


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The Bucks went on to lose to the Heat for the second time in 2 games this season 89-105. Giannis put up 13, 15, and 3 on 6 of 18 shooting (0-4 from 3). The Heat shot a blistering 18 of 37 from the three point line while the Bucks shot 7 of 34.


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MickeyDavis wrote:No this wasn’t a “playoff preview”.

The sky isn’t falling.

No reason to worry.

Stop being nervous.

No need to overreact.

We played poorly and lost. It happens. It happens a lot less to the Bucks than any other team but it happens.

On to the next game.

mattg wrote:Middleton against defenders who can move their feet and are as strong as him is really rough. Hopefully we only have to go through one team filled with those dudes in the East.

Coach Carter wrote:losing twice to them though, not sure what this means....

CharityStripe34 wrote:Miami fans on their board celebrating like they won the title. And with the caveat of luring Gianni to Miami. Pretty LOL worthy.

Bucksmaniac wrote:Even if you’re saving adjustments for the Playoffs it wouldn’t hurt to practice making adjustments for once Bud. Then maybe you’ll have some practice.

LuessiT wrote:We shot poorly. It took the Bucks shooting 21% and the Heat shooting 49% from 3 to lose. Even if we'd play at this level in a 7 game series we'd have no trouble beating the Heat.

steger_3434 wrote:So no way miami shoots like that all the time. But they can play defense like that every time. That was a mirror image to how Toronto played giannis. So what’s are game plan for that? Giannis outside game was suppose to be the counter, but it seams he shoots well when the pressure is none. When he has to shoot because he can’t drive his shot is awful. I’m not saying the sky is falling, but if your not a tad concerned then you shouldn’t ever be bitching at bud for not changing anything in game

BucksFanSD wrote:The physicality of this game was like a playoff game. Some concern is warranted IMO. I think our starting back court may be the culprit if we get knocked out this year. We also aren't getting Ersan's scoring anymore.

steger_3434 wrote:
emunney wrote:Anyway Giannis really needs a counter for <checks notes> being grabbed by 5 hands at once.

If you don’t think that **** will happen in the playoffs your crazy. It’s exactly how Toronto played him. They aren’t fouling out entire teams all series long. It’s ****, but we will see it called this way and need an adjustment

Bucksmaniac wrote:We lucked out that they missed a lot of bunnies so as bad as it was, it could’ve been worse. Giannis has been shut down several times now against good defenders, not exactly true MVP form. I’m quite worried and we all should be.

Coach Carter wrote:
CharityStripe34 wrote:
Coach Carter wrote:The worry is that both teams defend well, a lot of hands in faces, they have the better shooters.


Jae Crowder went from looking like Glen Rice to airballing threes in the second half. Many of their threes were contested they were just on fire. The Bucks probably missed at least 5-6 wide open threes that I can remember.


Yeh but i can see this happening in the playoffs. I just hope it's only for a game or 2.

SkilesTheLimit wrote:Giannis can’t shoot to save his life. Every series outside of the first round will be tough for us. We have Middleton as the only consistent shooter in the starting lineup. If he’s off, we are very beatable.

Miami, Boston, Philly, Toronto...all of them are capable of taking us to 7 games. Home Court will be huge.

Chad34 wrote:I don’t think we can beat Miami, hopefully someone else beats them. I don’t think we’re athletic enough

TroyD92 wrote:Lose one game on a b2b, half the board thinks the Bucks are suddenly very beatable. Huh

msiris wrote:Miami 13-18 on the road. Should we really be nervous ? Oh please.

buckboy wrote:Miami is a fairly tough matchup.

I think there's very little chance they can beat the Bucks 4 out of 7.

FrieAaron wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:52-9
52-9
52-9


Reading the rest of this thread, I think this bears repeating.

ElPeregrino wrote:4-9. The Bucks record against Miami over the past four seasons. They're the only team in the East with a winning record against us. I'm not worried about Miami but it's understandable why some people don't like the matchup after seeing them come with great gameplans against Giannis for years.

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steger_3434 wrote:Those that think the playoff games won’t be called like this have forgotten how playoff games are called. It’s just not against us. It’s why harden shrinks (not nearly as many foul shots). Refs will let a lot more go. We simply need to hit our shots. I just wish we were a better shooting team. With all that said I’d still put a ton of money on us at least reaching the finals


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yeah, blaming back to backs is hella weak, especially since this is the first back to back they've lost all year if I'm not mistaken. This was just a good effort from miami. Nothing to panic about but budenholzer must make adjustments come playoff time. They play the lakers friday, they should wallop the lakers as they don't have quality 3p shooting themselves but we will see.

Bucksfan28 wrote:Some of yall are too insecure about how good this team is. Would've thought we were past that stage by now.

coolhandluke121 wrote:The Toronto formula of nearly everyone in the rotation being able to shoot, walling off Giannis, and being more athletic than the Bucks overall is still a thing. Accusing people who make this observation of being emo is a bad look. You can lay it to rest when the Bucks do, but you can't lay it to rest with a response like this.

Another issue is that the depth doesn't necessarily translate to the playoffs. When so many of your best players are liabilities in certain match-ups (Khris's athleticism, the footspeed of Ersan and the twins, the shooting of Bledsoe against defenses quick enough to guard his drives), that can be exploited by the right team with the right coach. Their depth makes them a regular season juggernaut, but rotations shrink in the playoffs and that benefits the teams with only 7-8 good players a lot more than it benefits a team like the Bucks that has 10+ good players.

Lastly, it may be cliche but the Heat have a lot of backbone. Personality matters. We saw the Raptors lose game 1 and get destroyed in game 2, and then we saw what their mental toughness meant. There are stats that clearly show the Bucks have run up a gaudy record and differential against mediocre teams that tend to wilt against a team that can overwhelm them, but their numbers, while still good, are not historically good against good teams.

I would say the Bucks beat Miami 4-2 in a series. I would be a lot more comfortable with Hill, DDV, Giannis, and Marvin being the only ones assured of their usual role (or more) in the series though. Ditto for playing the Raptors.

Isocleas2 wrote:Schedule loss, not putting much stock into it.

Also as for the discussion about bud not making adjustments I like the idea of not showing your hand against the other eastern conference contenders, save that for when it matters. I would like them to try making adjustments against a couple bottom feeders just to get some practice at it though.

LUKE23 wrote:Another interesting stat, of the top 8 SRS teams, Bucks are only team outside the top 8 in 3 point % allowed (and they are 18th).

1. MIL - 18th
2. LAL - 6th
3. LAC - 8th
4. BOS - 3rd
5. TOR - 1st
6. DAL - 4th
7. HOU - 7th
9. DEN - 5th

coolhandluke121 wrote:
Craig_Hodges wrote:By just about every metric, defense is not this teams’ problem.


Every team that can shoot the 3 hopes coach Bud is this myopic about the issue.

coolhandluke121 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:I get that it's annoying to keep explaining away losses on 3PT disparity, but Bill Simmons actually made a good point a few weeks ago on his podcast. Basically boiled it down to teams feeling like jacking up 3's is the only way to beat the Bucks, as opposed to it being some sort of weakness or fatal flaw in the system.


That would explain the high number of attempts, but how does it explain the high efficiency?? If anything, this would imply that teams should be chucking up more "bad" 3-point attempts against the Bucks and hitting a lower percentage, but they're getting a lot of good looks and hitting a high percentage.

mattg wrote:Attacking into 4 defenders is not smart at all. This is a supreme example of bad situational awareness given the game state. We talked earlier about how the game was in reach at that possession, it is absolutely paramount in those moments that the offense gets a good shot. GIannis as the best player is responsible for that if we are gonna put the ball in his hands. Aggressively attacking multiple defenders and hoping for a whistle is not a high IQ play and is a bad decision given the context of the game at the time. Hell, even if hypothetically Giannis wasn't fouled and hacked, and wasn't touched there, the fact that he'd not even consider the pass to a wide open teammate when swarmed is an issue. The bucks aren't winning a title with those decisions. They aren't gonna get that call in the playoffs, and the expected value of a wide open catch and shoot 3 is higher than a Giannis hook shot with multiple defenders on him from the mid post. People talk about Bud adjusting the offense to scheme against the wall that will be built to stop Giannis, but ultimately the adjustments that mainly need to be made are from Giannis making quicker decisions and recognizing what the defense is doing faster. That's what destroyed us last year. The MVP HAS TO BE BETTER. Simple as that.


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The Bucks went 1-3 following the Miami game before the Corona Virus shutdown on March 11th. Since the victory in Charlotte the Bucks have won just 8 of their last 21 games.
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Post#5 » by NippySudz » Sat Sep 5, 2020 8:34 pm

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MissKhriddleton wrote:On March 1st the Bucks grinded out a Sunday afternoon win 93-85 against the Charlotte Hornets (21-38) to improve their record to 52-8. A 71 win pace. Giannis put up 41, 20, and 6 on 17/28 shooting. Their historic streak of scoring 100 in consecutive regular season games ended. They would travel to Miami for a back to back the following night.

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SupremeHustle wrote:Black uniforms on a Sunday afternoon and yet they still won? Either the world is about to end or the Bucks are winning it all.

paulpressey25 wrote:Feel like that might have been Giannis best game this year. Played it one on five.

CharityStripe34 wrote:
BUCKnation wrote:Giannis having a more than respectable short to mid jumper rn is letting him work that pump fake up and under.


If he keeps developing his mid-post fades going either left or right it'll open up his game even more than simply adding a three-point shot (which is obviously important). No one can block his shot on his release point and it'll make his life way easier in a hotly contested playoff game when teams will park 2-3 defenders near the paint. It coincides nicely with his improvement and addition of low and mid post play. Bud's implementation of Gianni and Middleton using the entire court to work their game is a low-key excellent coaching decision.

After watching the highlights this was a clinic. His low-block footwork is getting better as is his decision making in reading the defense. Like having the timing to drive baseline or work toward the middle. His talent and ability are awe inspiring to be sure, but I'm noticing so many little nuances that he's added and improved in that is a joy to watch.

FrieAaron wrote:_______ are Milwaukee's biggest threat to a championship:

  1. The Lakers
  2. The Clippers
  3. The Celtics
  4. The Nuggets
  5. Afternoon start times

steger_3434 wrote:Giannis with only 34 minutes in a close game with out other all star out. Meanwhile all the other top teams play their guys 40 minutes in close games. But we are the only team trying? Yup

greekbuck34 wrote:Tomorrow we will probably have our worst game of the season or on par with the Christmas game.


...

The Bucks went on to lose to the Heat for the second time in 2 games this season 89-105. Giannis put up 13, 15, and 3 on 6 of 18 shooting (0-4 from 3). The Heat shot a blistering 18 of 37 from the three point line while the Bucks shot 7 of 34.


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MickeyDavis wrote:No this wasn’t a “playoff preview”.

The sky isn’t falling.

No reason to worry.

Stop being nervous.

No need to overreact.

We played poorly and lost. It happens. It happens a lot less to the Bucks than any other team but it happens.

On to the next game.

mattg wrote:Middleton against defenders who can move their feet and are as strong as him is really rough. Hopefully we only have to go through one team filled with those dudes in the East.

Coach Carter wrote:losing twice to them though, not sure what this means....

CharityStripe34 wrote:Miami fans on their board celebrating like they won the title. And with the caveat of luring Gianni to Miami. Pretty LOL worthy.

Bucksmaniac wrote:Even if you’re saving adjustments for the Playoffs it wouldn’t hurt to practice making adjustments for once Bud. Then maybe you’ll have some practice.

LuessiT wrote:We shot poorly. It took the Bucks shooting 21% and the Heat shooting 49% from 3 to lose. Even if we'd play at this level in a 7 game series we'd have no trouble beating the Heat.

steger_3434 wrote:So no way miami shoots like that all the time. But they can play defense like that every time. That was a mirror image to how Toronto played giannis. So what’s are game plan for that? Giannis outside game was suppose to be the counter, but it seams he shoots well when the pressure is none. When he has to shoot because he can’t drive his shot is awful. I’m not saying the sky is falling, but if your not a tad concerned then you shouldn’t ever be bitching at bud for not changing anything in game

BucksFanSD wrote:The physicality of this game was like a playoff game. Some concern is warranted IMO. I think our starting back court may be the culprit if we get knocked out this year. We also aren't getting Ersan's scoring anymore.

steger_3434 wrote:
emunney wrote:Anyway Giannis really needs a counter for <checks notes> being grabbed by 5 hands at once.

If you don’t think that **** will happen in the playoffs your crazy. It’s exactly how Toronto played him. They aren’t fouling out entire teams all series long. It’s ****, but we will see it called this way and need an adjustment

Bucksmaniac wrote:We lucked out that they missed a lot of bunnies so as bad as it was, it could’ve been worse. Giannis has been shut down several times now against good defenders, not exactly true MVP form. I’m quite worried and we all should be.

Coach Carter wrote:
CharityStripe34 wrote:
Jae Crowder went from looking like Glen Rice to airballing threes in the second half. Many of their threes were contested they were just on fire. The Bucks probably missed at least 5-6 wide open threes that I can remember.


Yeh but i can see this happening in the playoffs. I just hope it's only for a game or 2.

SkilesTheLimit wrote:Giannis can’t shoot to save his life. Every series outside of the first round will be tough for us. We have Middleton as the only consistent shooter in the starting lineup. If he’s off, we are very beatable.

Miami, Boston, Philly, Toronto...all of them are capable of taking us to 7 games. Home Court will be huge.

Chad34 wrote:I don’t think we can beat Miami, hopefully someone else beats them. I don’t think we’re athletic enough

TroyD92 wrote:Lose one game on a b2b, half the board thinks the Bucks are suddenly very beatable. Huh

msiris wrote:Miami 13-18 on the road. Should we really be nervous ? Oh please.

buckboy wrote:Miami is a fairly tough matchup.

I think there's very little chance they can beat the Bucks 4 out of 7.

FrieAaron wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:52-9
52-9
52-9


Reading the rest of this thread, I think this bears repeating.

ElPeregrino wrote:4-9. The Bucks record against Miami over the past four seasons. They're the only team in the East with a winning record against us. I'm not worried about Miami but it's understandable why some people don't like the matchup after seeing them come with great gameplans against Giannis for years.

NippySudz wrote:
steger_3434 wrote:Those that think the playoff games won’t be called like this have forgotten how playoff games are called. It’s just not against us. It’s why harden shrinks (not nearly as many foul shots). Refs will let a lot more go. We simply need to hit our shots. I just wish we were a better shooting team. With all that said I’d still put a ton of money on us at least reaching the finals


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yeah, blaming back to backs is hella weak, especially since this is the first back to back they've lost all year if I'm not mistaken. This was just a good effort from miami. Nothing to panic about but budenholzer must make adjustments come playoff time. They play the lakers friday, they should wallop the lakers as they don't have quality 3p shooting themselves but we will see.

Bucksfan28 wrote:Some of yall are too insecure about how good this team is. Would've thought we were past that stage by now.

coolhandluke121 wrote:The Toronto formula of nearly everyone in the rotation being able to shoot, walling off Giannis, and being more athletic than the Bucks overall is still a thing. Accusing people who make this observation of being emo is a bad look. You can lay it to rest when the Bucks do, but you can't lay it to rest with a response like this.

Another issue is that the depth doesn't necessarily translate to the playoffs. When so many of your best players are liabilities in certain match-ups (Khris's athleticism, the footspeed of Ersan and the twins, the shooting of Bledsoe against defenses quick enough to guard his drives), that can be exploited by the right team with the right coach. Their depth makes them a regular season juggernaut, but rotations shrink in the playoffs and that benefits the teams with only 7-8 good players a lot more than it benefits a team like the Bucks that has 10+ good players.

Lastly, it may be cliche but the Heat have a lot of backbone. Personality matters. We saw the Raptors lose game 1 and get destroyed in game 2, and then we saw what their mental toughness meant. There are stats that clearly show the Bucks have run up a gaudy record and differential against mediocre teams that tend to wilt against a team that can overwhelm them, but their numbers, while still good, are not historically good against good teams.

I would say the Bucks beat Miami 4-2 in a series. I would be a lot more comfortable with Hill, DDV, Giannis, and Marvin being the only ones assured of their usual role (or more) in the series though. Ditto for playing the Raptors.

Isocleas2 wrote:Schedule loss, not putting much stock into it.

Also as for the discussion about bud not making adjustments I like the idea of not showing your hand against the other eastern conference contenders, save that for when it matters. I would like them to try making adjustments against a couple bottom feeders just to get some practice at it though.

LUKE23 wrote:Another interesting stat, of the top 8 SRS teams, Bucks are only team outside the top 8 in 3 point % allowed (and they are 18th).

1. MIL - 18th
2. LAL - 6th
3. LAC - 8th
4. BOS - 3rd
5. TOR - 1st
6. DAL - 4th
7. HOU - 7th
9. DEN - 5th

coolhandluke121 wrote:
Craig_Hodges wrote:By just about every metric, defense is not this teams’ problem.


Every team that can shoot the 3 hopes coach Bud is this myopic about the issue.

coolhandluke121 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:I get that it's annoying to keep explaining away losses on 3PT disparity, but Bill Simmons actually made a good point a few weeks ago on his podcast. Basically boiled it down to teams feeling like jacking up 3's is the only way to beat the Bucks, as opposed to it being some sort of weakness or fatal flaw in the system.


That would explain the high number of attempts, but how does it explain the high efficiency?? If anything, this would imply that teams should be chucking up more "bad" 3-point attempts against the Bucks and hitting a lower percentage, but they're getting a lot of good looks and hitting a high percentage.

mattg wrote:Attacking into 4 defenders is not smart at all. This is a supreme example of bad situational awareness given the game state. We talked earlier about how the game was in reach at that possession, it is absolutely paramount in those moments that the offense gets a good shot. GIannis as the best player is responsible for that if we are gonna put the ball in his hands. Aggressively attacking multiple defenders and hoping for a whistle is not a high IQ play and is a bad decision given the context of the game at the time. Hell, even if hypothetically Giannis wasn't fouled and hacked, and wasn't touched there, the fact that he'd not even consider the pass to a wide open teammate when swarmed is an issue. The bucks aren't winning a title with those decisions. They aren't gonna get that call in the playoffs, and the expected value of a wide open catch and shoot 3 is higher than a Giannis hook shot with multiple defenders on him from the mid post. People talk about Bud adjusting the offense to scheme against the wall that will be built to stop Giannis, but ultimately the adjustments that mainly need to be made are from Giannis making quicker decisions and recognizing what the defense is doing faster. That's what destroyed us last year. The MVP HAS TO BE BETTER. Simple as that.


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The Bucks went 1-3 following the Miami game before the Corona Virus shutdown on March 11th. Since the victory in Charlotte the Bucks have won just 8 of their last 21 games.

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A. Play our starters all 36 minutes

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Post#8 » by SupremeHustle » Sat Sep 5, 2020 9:25 pm

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MissKhriddleton wrote:On March 1st the Bucks grinded out a Sunday afternoon win 93-85 against the Charlotte Hornets (21-38) to improve their record to 52-8. A 71 win pace. Giannis put up 41, 20, and 6 on 17/28 shooting. Their historic streak of scoring 100 in consecutive regular season games ended. They would travel to Miami for a back to back the following night.

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SupremeHustle wrote:Black uniforms on a Sunday afternoon and yet they still won? Either the world is about to end or the Bucks are winning it all.

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paulpressey25 wrote:Feel like that might have been Giannis best game this year. Played it one on five.

CharityStripe34 wrote:
BUCKnation wrote:Giannis having a more than respectable short to mid jumper rn is letting him work that pump fake up and under.


If he keeps developing his mid-post fades going either left or right it'll open up his game even more than simply adding a three-point shot (which is obviously important). No one can block his shot on his release point and it'll make his life way easier in a hotly contested playoff game when teams will park 2-3 defenders near the paint. It coincides nicely with his improvement and addition of low and mid post play. Bud's implementation of Gianni and Middleton using the entire court to work their game is a low-key excellent coaching decision.

After watching the highlights this was a clinic. His low-block footwork is getting better as is his decision making in reading the defense. Like having the timing to drive baseline or work toward the middle. His talent and ability are awe inspiring to be sure, but I'm noticing so many little nuances that he's added and improved in that is a joy to watch.

FrieAaron wrote:_______ are Milwaukee's biggest threat to a championship:

  1. The Lakers
  2. The Clippers
  3. The Celtics
  4. The Nuggets
  5. Afternoon start times

steger_3434 wrote:Giannis with only 34 minutes in a close game with out other all star out. Meanwhile all the other top teams play their guys 40 minutes in close games. But we are the only team trying? Yup

greekbuck34 wrote:Tomorrow we will probably have our worst game of the season or on par with the Christmas game.


...

The Bucks went on to lose to the Heat for the second time in 2 games this season 89-105. Giannis put up 13, 15, and 3 on 6 of 18 shooting (0-4 from 3). The Heat shot a blistering 18 of 37 from the three point line while the Bucks shot 7 of 34.


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MickeyDavis wrote:No this wasn’t a “playoff preview”.

The sky isn’t falling.

No reason to worry.

Stop being nervous.

No need to overreact.

We played poorly and lost. It happens. It happens a lot less to the Bucks than any other team but it happens.

On to the next game.

mattg wrote:Middleton against defenders who can move their feet and are as strong as him is really rough. Hopefully we only have to go through one team filled with those dudes in the East.

Coach Carter wrote:losing twice to them though, not sure what this means....

CharityStripe34 wrote:Miami fans on their board celebrating like they won the title. And with the caveat of luring Gianni to Miami. Pretty LOL worthy.

Bucksmaniac wrote:Even if you’re saving adjustments for the Playoffs it wouldn’t hurt to practice making adjustments for once Bud. Then maybe you’ll have some practice.

LuessiT wrote:We shot poorly. It took the Bucks shooting 21% and the Heat shooting 49% from 3 to lose. Even if we'd play at this level in a 7 game series we'd have no trouble beating the Heat.

steger_3434 wrote:So no way miami shoots like that all the time. But they can play defense like that every time. That was a mirror image to how Toronto played giannis. So what’s are game plan for that? Giannis outside game was suppose to be the counter, but it seams he shoots well when the pressure is none. When he has to shoot because he can’t drive his shot is awful. I’m not saying the sky is falling, but if your not a tad concerned then you shouldn’t ever be bitching at bud for not changing anything in game

BucksFanSD wrote:The physicality of this game was like a playoff game. Some concern is warranted IMO. I think our starting back court may be the culprit if we get knocked out this year. We also aren't getting Ersan's scoring anymore.

steger_3434 wrote:
emunney wrote:Anyway Giannis really needs a counter for <checks notes> being grabbed by 5 hands at once.

If you don’t think that **** will happen in the playoffs your crazy. It’s exactly how Toronto played him. They aren’t fouling out entire teams all series long. It’s ****, but we will see it called this way and need an adjustment

Bucksmaniac wrote:We lucked out that they missed a lot of bunnies so as bad as it was, it could’ve been worse. Giannis has been shut down several times now against good defenders, not exactly true MVP form. I’m quite worried and we all should be.

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CharityStripe34 wrote:
Jae Crowder went from looking like Glen Rice to airballing threes in the second half. Many of their threes were contested they were just on fire. The Bucks probably missed at least 5-6 wide open threes that I can remember.


Yeh but i can see this happening in the playoffs. I just hope it's only for a game or 2.

SkilesTheLimit wrote:Giannis can’t shoot to save his life. Every series outside of the first round will be tough for us. We have Middleton as the only consistent shooter in the starting lineup. If he’s off, we are very beatable.

Miami, Boston, Philly, Toronto...all of them are capable of taking us to 7 games. Home Court will be huge.

Chad34 wrote:I don’t think we can beat Miami, hopefully someone else beats them. I don’t think we’re athletic enough

TroyD92 wrote:Lose one game on a b2b, half the board thinks the Bucks are suddenly very beatable. Huh

msiris wrote:Miami 13-18 on the road. Should we really be nervous ? Oh please.

buckboy wrote:Miami is a fairly tough matchup.

I think there's very little chance they can beat the Bucks 4 out of 7.

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MickeyDavis wrote:52-9
52-9
52-9


Reading the rest of this thread, I think this bears repeating.

ElPeregrino wrote:4-9. The Bucks record against Miami over the past four seasons. They're the only team in the East with a winning record against us. I'm not worried about Miami but it's understandable why some people don't like the matchup after seeing them come with great gameplans against Giannis for years.

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yeah, blaming back to backs is hella weak, especially since this is the first back to back they've lost all year if I'm not mistaken. This was just a good effort from miami. Nothing to panic about but budenholzer must make adjustments come playoff time. They play the lakers friday, they should wallop the lakers as they don't have quality 3p shooting themselves but we will see.

Bucksfan28 wrote:Some of yall are too insecure about how good this team is. Would've thought we were past that stage by now.

coolhandluke121 wrote:The Toronto formula of nearly everyone in the rotation being able to shoot, walling off Giannis, and being more athletic than the Bucks overall is still a thing. Accusing people who make this observation of being emo is a bad look. You can lay it to rest when the Bucks do, but you can't lay it to rest with a response like this.

Another issue is that the depth doesn't necessarily translate to the playoffs. When so many of your best players are liabilities in certain match-ups (Khris's athleticism, the footspeed of Ersan and the twins, the shooting of Bledsoe against defenses quick enough to guard his drives), that can be exploited by the right team with the right coach. Their depth makes them a regular season juggernaut, but rotations shrink in the playoffs and that benefits the teams with only 7-8 good players a lot more than it benefits a team like the Bucks that has 10+ good players.

Lastly, it may be cliche but the Heat have a lot of backbone. Personality matters. We saw the Raptors lose game 1 and get destroyed in game 2, and then we saw what their mental toughness meant. There are stats that clearly show the Bucks have run up a gaudy record and differential against mediocre teams that tend to wilt against a team that can overwhelm them, but their numbers, while still good, are not historically good against good teams.

I would say the Bucks beat Miami 4-2 in a series. I would be a lot more comfortable with Hill, DDV, Giannis, and Marvin being the only ones assured of their usual role (or more) in the series though. Ditto for playing the Raptors.

Isocleas2 wrote:Schedule loss, not putting much stock into it.

Also as for the discussion about bud not making adjustments I like the idea of not showing your hand against the other eastern conference contenders, save that for when it matters. I would like them to try making adjustments against a couple bottom feeders just to get some practice at it though.

LUKE23 wrote:Another interesting stat, of the top 8 SRS teams, Bucks are only team outside the top 8 in 3 point % allowed (and they are 18th).

1. MIL - 18th
2. LAL - 6th
3. LAC - 8th
4. BOS - 3rd
5. TOR - 1st
6. DAL - 4th
7. HOU - 7th
9. DEN - 5th

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Craig_Hodges wrote:By just about every metric, defense is not this teams’ problem.


Every team that can shoot the 3 hopes coach Bud is this myopic about the issue.

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Ron Swanson wrote:I get that it's annoying to keep explaining away losses on 3PT disparity, but Bill Simmons actually made a good point a few weeks ago on his podcast. Basically boiled it down to teams feeling like jacking up 3's is the only way to beat the Bucks, as opposed to it being some sort of weakness or fatal flaw in the system.


That would explain the high number of attempts, but how does it explain the high efficiency?? If anything, this would imply that teams should be chucking up more "bad" 3-point attempts against the Bucks and hitting a lower percentage, but they're getting a lot of good looks and hitting a high percentage.

mattg wrote:Attacking into 4 defenders is not smart at all. This is a supreme example of bad situational awareness given the game state. We talked earlier about how the game was in reach at that possession, it is absolutely paramount in those moments that the offense gets a good shot. GIannis as the best player is responsible for that if we are gonna put the ball in his hands. Aggressively attacking multiple defenders and hoping for a whistle is not a high IQ play and is a bad decision given the context of the game at the time. Hell, even if hypothetically Giannis wasn't fouled and hacked, and wasn't touched there, the fact that he'd not even consider the pass to a wide open teammate when swarmed is an issue. The bucks aren't winning a title with those decisions. They aren't gonna get that call in the playoffs, and the expected value of a wide open catch and shoot 3 is higher than a Giannis hook shot with multiple defenders on him from the mid post. People talk about Bud adjusting the offense to scheme against the wall that will be built to stop Giannis, but ultimately the adjustments that mainly need to be made are from Giannis making quicker decisions and recognizing what the defense is doing faster. That's what destroyed us last year. The MVP HAS TO BE BETTER. Simple as that.


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I mean, was I wrong though?
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After seeing the game, George Hill's right. It's doable. One game at a time. There's a first time for everything.
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MissKhriddleton wrote:On March 1st the Bucks grinded out a Sunday afternoon win 93-85 against the Charlotte Hornets (21-38) to improve their record to 52-8. A 71 win pace. Giannis put up 41, 20, and 6 on 17/28 shooting. Their historic streak of scoring 100 in consecutive regular season games ended. They would travel to Miami for a back to back the following night.

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paulpressey25 wrote:Feel like that might have been Giannis best game this year. Played it one on five.

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BUCKnation wrote:Giannis having a more than respectable short to mid jumper rn is letting him work that pump fake up and under.


If he keeps developing his mid-post fades going either left or right it'll open up his game even more than simply adding a three-point shot (which is obviously important). No one can block his shot on his release point and it'll make his life way easier in a hotly contested playoff game when teams will park 2-3 defenders near the paint. It coincides nicely with his improvement and addition of low and mid post play. Bud's implementation of Gianni and Middleton using the entire court to work their game is a low-key excellent coaching decision.

After watching the highlights this was a clinic. His low-block footwork is getting better as is his decision making in reading the defense. Like having the timing to drive baseline or work toward the middle. His talent and ability are awe inspiring to be sure, but I'm noticing so many little nuances that he's added and improved in that is a joy to watch.

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steger_3434 wrote:Giannis with only 34 minutes in a close game with out other all star out. Meanwhile all the other top teams play their guys 40 minutes in close games. But we are the only team trying? Yup

greekbuck34 wrote:Tomorrow we will probably have our worst game of the season or on par with the Christmas game.


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MickeyDavis wrote:No this wasn’t a “playoff preview”.

The sky isn’t falling.

No reason to worry.

Stop being nervous.

No need to overreact.

We played poorly and lost. It happens. It happens a lot less to the Bucks than any other team but it happens.

On to the next game.

mattg wrote:Middleton against defenders who can move their feet and are as strong as him is really rough. Hopefully we only have to go through one team filled with those dudes in the East.

Coach Carter wrote:losing twice to them though, not sure what this means....

CharityStripe34 wrote:Miami fans on their board celebrating like they won the title. And with the caveat of luring Gianni to Miami. Pretty LOL worthy.

Bucksmaniac wrote:Even if you’re saving adjustments for the Playoffs it wouldn’t hurt to practice making adjustments for once Bud. Then maybe you’ll have some practice.

LuessiT wrote:We shot poorly. It took the Bucks shooting 21% and the Heat shooting 49% from 3 to lose. Even if we'd play at this level in a 7 game series we'd have no trouble beating the Heat.

steger_3434 wrote:So no way miami shoots like that all the time. But they can play defense like that every time. That was a mirror image to how Toronto played giannis. So what’s are game plan for that? Giannis outside game was suppose to be the counter, but it seams he shoots well when the pressure is none. When he has to shoot because he can’t drive his shot is awful. I’m not saying the sky is falling, but if your not a tad concerned then you shouldn’t ever be bitching at bud for not changing anything in game

BucksFanSD wrote:The physicality of this game was like a playoff game. Some concern is warranted IMO. I think our starting back court may be the culprit if we get knocked out this year. We also aren't getting Ersan's scoring anymore.

steger_3434 wrote:
emunney wrote:Anyway Giannis really needs a counter for <checks notes> being grabbed by 5 hands at once.

If you don’t think that **** will happen in the playoffs your crazy. It’s exactly how Toronto played him. They aren’t fouling out entire teams all series long. It’s ****, but we will see it called this way and need an adjustment

Bucksmaniac wrote:We lucked out that they missed a lot of bunnies so as bad as it was, it could’ve been worse. Giannis has been shut down several times now against good defenders, not exactly true MVP form. I’m quite worried and we all should be.

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CharityStripe34 wrote:
Jae Crowder went from looking like Glen Rice to airballing threes in the second half. Many of their threes were contested they were just on fire. The Bucks probably missed at least 5-6 wide open threes that I can remember.


Yeh but i can see this happening in the playoffs. I just hope it's only for a game or 2.

SkilesTheLimit wrote:Giannis can’t shoot to save his life. Every series outside of the first round will be tough for us. We have Middleton as the only consistent shooter in the starting lineup. If he’s off, we are very beatable.

Miami, Boston, Philly, Toronto...all of them are capable of taking us to 7 games. Home Court will be huge.

Chad34 wrote:I don’t think we can beat Miami, hopefully someone else beats them. I don’t think we’re athletic enough

TroyD92 wrote:Lose one game on a b2b, half the board thinks the Bucks are suddenly very beatable. Huh

msiris wrote:Miami 13-18 on the road. Should we really be nervous ? Oh please.

buckboy wrote:Miami is a fairly tough matchup.

I think there's very little chance they can beat the Bucks 4 out of 7.

FrieAaron wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:52-9
52-9
52-9


Reading the rest of this thread, I think this bears repeating.

ElPeregrino wrote:4-9. The Bucks record against Miami over the past four seasons. They're the only team in the East with a winning record against us. I'm not worried about Miami but it's understandable why some people don't like the matchup after seeing them come with great gameplans against Giannis for years.

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steger_3434 wrote:Those that think the playoff games won’t be called like this have forgotten how playoff games are called. It’s just not against us. It’s why harden shrinks (not nearly as many foul shots). Refs will let a lot more go. We simply need to hit our shots. I just wish we were a better shooting team. With all that said I’d still put a ton of money on us at least reaching the finals


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yeah, blaming back to backs is hella weak, especially since this is the first back to back they've lost all year if I'm not mistaken. This was just a good effort from miami. Nothing to panic about but budenholzer must make adjustments come playoff time. They play the lakers friday, they should wallop the lakers as they don't have quality 3p shooting themselves but we will see.

Bucksfan28 wrote:Some of yall are too insecure about how good this team is. Would've thought we were past that stage by now.

coolhandluke121 wrote:The Toronto formula of nearly everyone in the rotation being able to shoot, walling off Giannis, and being more athletic than the Bucks overall is still a thing. Accusing people who make this observation of being emo is a bad look. You can lay it to rest when the Bucks do, but you can't lay it to rest with a response like this.

Another issue is that the depth doesn't necessarily translate to the playoffs. When so many of your best players are liabilities in certain match-ups (Khris's athleticism, the footspeed of Ersan and the twins, the shooting of Bledsoe against defenses quick enough to guard his drives), that can be exploited by the right team with the right coach. Their depth makes them a regular season juggernaut, but rotations shrink in the playoffs and that benefits the teams with only 7-8 good players a lot more than it benefits a team like the Bucks that has 10+ good players.

Lastly, it may be cliche but the Heat have a lot of backbone. Personality matters. We saw the Raptors lose game 1 and get destroyed in game 2, and then we saw what their mental toughness meant. There are stats that clearly show the Bucks have run up a gaudy record and differential against mediocre teams that tend to wilt against a team that can overwhelm them, but their numbers, while still good, are not historically good against good teams.

I would say the Bucks beat Miami 4-2 in a series. I would be a lot more comfortable with Hill, DDV, Giannis, and Marvin being the only ones assured of their usual role (or more) in the series though. Ditto for playing the Raptors.

Isocleas2 wrote:Schedule loss, not putting much stock into it.

Also as for the discussion about bud not making adjustments I like the idea of not showing your hand against the other eastern conference contenders, save that for when it matters. I would like them to try making adjustments against a couple bottom feeders just to get some practice at it though.

LUKE23 wrote:Another interesting stat, of the top 8 SRS teams, Bucks are only team outside the top 8 in 3 point % allowed (and they are 18th).

1. MIL - 18th
2. LAL - 6th
3. LAC - 8th
4. BOS - 3rd
5. TOR - 1st
6. DAL - 4th
7. HOU - 7th
9. DEN - 5th

coolhandluke121 wrote:
Craig_Hodges wrote:By just about every metric, defense is not this teams’ problem.


Every team that can shoot the 3 hopes coach Bud is this myopic about the issue.

coolhandluke121 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:I get that it's annoying to keep explaining away losses on 3PT disparity, but Bill Simmons actually made a good point a few weeks ago on his podcast. Basically boiled it down to teams feeling like jacking up 3's is the only way to beat the Bucks, as opposed to it being some sort of weakness or fatal flaw in the system.


That would explain the high number of attempts, but how does it explain the high efficiency?? If anything, this would imply that teams should be chucking up more "bad" 3-point attempts against the Bucks and hitting a lower percentage, but they're getting a lot of good looks and hitting a high percentage.

mattg wrote:Attacking into 4 defenders is not smart at all. This is a supreme example of bad situational awareness given the game state. We talked earlier about how the game was in reach at that possession, it is absolutely paramount in those moments that the offense gets a good shot. GIannis as the best player is responsible for that if we are gonna put the ball in his hands. Aggressively attacking multiple defenders and hoping for a whistle is not a high IQ play and is a bad decision given the context of the game at the time. Hell, even if hypothetically Giannis wasn't fouled and hacked, and wasn't touched there, the fact that he'd not even consider the pass to a wide open teammate when swarmed is an issue. The bucks aren't winning a title with those decisions. They aren't gonna get that call in the playoffs, and the expected value of a wide open catch and shoot 3 is higher than a Giannis hook shot with multiple defenders on him from the mid post. People talk about Bud adjusting the offense to scheme against the wall that will be built to stop Giannis, but ultimately the adjustments that mainly need to be made are from Giannis making quicker decisions and recognizing what the defense is doing faster. That's what destroyed us last year. The MVP HAS TO BE BETTER. Simple as that.


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Post#11 » by Profound23 » Sat Sep 5, 2020 10:30 pm

We build our entertainers up only to tear them down when they face adversity. I've been saying for years this was coming for Giannis. Well here we are. "He's trash" "He quit" "overrated" "diva"

It's a shame. Don't get me wrong, he has looked lost in the bubble and his struggle during this series and the Toronto series hurt us. But so many want to pile on all of a sudden.
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Im still hoping, GO BUCKS
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That’d be kind of stupid seeing as he’s under contract for another year
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Post#15 » by AussieBuck » Sat Sep 5, 2020 11:19 pm

Can't see him missing. Can see him going all out on a bad ankle, playing badly and breaking something. I'm going to sleep through it and check out the scores before even thinking about watching any. I've missed maybe 6 games in the last dozen or so years.
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Post#16 » by TroyD92 » Sat Sep 5, 2020 11:29 pm

mattg on the money as usual.
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Post#17 » by RogerMurdock » Sat Sep 5, 2020 11:44 pm

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Post#18 » by MissKhriddleton » Sat Sep 5, 2020 11:53 pm

In no way am I trying to call anybody out with that post. I was right there with most everybody thinking we’d have no trouble until the ECF and even then thought we were still a lock for the Finals. Just interesting to look back at where we were and where we’re at now. And then to think that that was 6 months ago is crazy.

The warning signs were there. Props to those that picked up on it.
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Post#19 » by Profound23 » Sun Sep 6, 2020 12:47 am

I know it's very improbable. But imagine the story if Giannis comes back on a sprained ankle and leads us to 4 straight wins on the way to a title.

Talk about washing out the bad taste in our mouth from losing to the Raptors after being up 2-0. That would be epic.
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That’d be kind of stupid seeing as he’s under contract for another year



If he declines the supermax offer there’s no reason to bring him back and lose him in FA for nothing
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