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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#921 » by hsfolk » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:35 am

I'm confused, is that Steven Adams trade separate from the Jrue one?
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#922 » by Turk Nowitzki » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:35 am

blazza18 wrote:No chance this is helpful to us.

Yeah, it was never going to be, just a courtesy to allow the Pelicans to move stuff around now instead of having to wait. I don't expect what is going to or coming from us to be impacted in any way on this really.
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#923 » by Turk Nowitzki » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:36 am

hsfolk wrote:I'm confused, is that Steven Adams trade separate from the Jrue one?

Sounds like it will probably be folded into our trade, but nothing is official yet.
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Post#925 » by hsfolk » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:38 am

so NO basically traded RJ Hampton for Steven Adams
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Post#926 » by emunney » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:40 am

hsfolk wrote:so NO basically traded RJ Hampton for Steven Adams


Well, what's Denver getting?

ETA: I misread. They get Hampton, OKC gets the 2023 pick.
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Post#927 » by coolhandluke121 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:57 pm

Trades like this almost never get revamped unless it's to allow one of the teams to flip one of the assets. Unless you think the Bucks are flipping Jrue, it's very unlikely this thing is changing in any remotely significant way from the Bucks' point of view. It's hard enough to negotiate a trade as is, and going back to the drawing board to change the principle assets being exchanged kills tons of potential deals. This is just NOP trying to flip Bledsoe and/or Hill.
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#928 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:01 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote: This is just NOP trying to flip Bledsoe and/or Hill.


This is the forgotten part about the Jrue deal. We gave up two really useful players. Hill will shine as a backup PG with a contender. Bledsoe can easily stabilize/upgrade the starting PG position on some team like the Knicks, Hornets, Magic, etc.
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Post#929 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:26 pm

My opinion is largely that I think it was completely irresponsible, lacking any imagination or creativity, but might have ultimately needed to be done from a Giannis perspective. Personally I guess I'm not as down as everyone. Maybe I've just finally got my rose colored glasses as a Bucks fan but I'm "ok" with where we are right now. To me losing Bogdan hurts more from a Giannis perspective than it does from a team perspective. Everyone was riding high when they thought we had him and now are doom and gloom but personally I don't think we would have gained a ton with him, besides again the Giannis side of things which if I see some bull like this go down I think what the **** am I doing here. I think we'll go into the season and see a lot of the sustained success we saw previous years and then it just all comes down to the playoffs. Bledsoe wasn't only a zero, he was downright a hinderance. He's gone and hopefully Jrue can pick up some of that slack but we also have two more giant question marks in Bud and Giannis himself. I have no idea how it plays out. Like always I'm along for the ride and I'll be here when we're discussing what second round picks we can buy to put around Donte Divincenzo when it all blows up.
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#930 » by buckbeer » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:37 pm

Could the Bucks be negotiating a contract extension with Jrue before the trade becomes official? A multi-year contract with Jrue could make this trade look better.
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Post#931 » by emunney » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:54 pm

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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#933 » by lvckv » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:17 pm

I think the full deal is:

Bucks get: Holiday

OKC get: Hill, Miller, 42nd pick, Nugs first and second in 23, Wash second in 24

Pels get: Bledsoe, Adams, Bucks firsts in 25 and 27, Bucks swaps in 24 and 26
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Post#934 » by skones » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:13 pm

buckbeer wrote:Could the Bucks be negotiating a contract extension with Jrue before the trade becomes official? A multi-year contract with Jrue could make this trade look better.
I don't agree, at all.

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Post#935 » by giraldo5 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:20 pm

skones wrote:
buckbeer wrote:Could the Bucks be negotiating a contract extension with Jrue before the trade becomes official? A multi-year contract with Jrue could make this trade look better.
I don't agree, at all.

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To be fair, you think Bledsoe and Holiday are the same player eventually. If that's the case yes its an awful trade. You seem to be alone in that opinion though.
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#936 » by CharityStripe34 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:24 pm

In no universe is Bledsoe as good as Holiday. Especially in the post-season.

I wouldn't be shocked if in the Gianni/front-office meeting, Gianni told them "get me a PG who can shoot and throw me a decent lob."
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#937 » by skones » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:00 pm

giraldo5 wrote:
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buckbeer wrote:Could the Bucks be negotiating a contract extension with Jrue before the trade becomes official? A multi-year contract with Jrue could make this trade look better.
I don't agree, at all.

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To be fair, you think Bledsoe and Holiday are the same player eventually. If that's the case yes its an awful trade. You seem to be alone in that opinion though.


To be fair, they ARE similar players, and it's ridiculous to say otherwise. The statistical case that can be made offers very little separation between the two. It's impossible to make a case that the Holiday deal was anything other than awful for us with the draft compensation we included.

But we're talking about an extension. Jrue Holiday is 30 years old, we don't know how this team looks with him this season, and Giannis hasn't signed an extension of his own. It would be beyond dumb to just throw a ton of money at a 30 year old Jrue Holiday just so you can make it difficult for yourself to get out from underneath his deal if Giannis leaves and you have to rebuild.

I was one of the few, if not only, guy on this board advocating for a Jrue Holiday buy low deal a few years back when his injuries were a bit of an issue. Most considered him "unmovable and do not touch" at that juncture. That's the territory you're putting yourself into with a long term high dollar value deal on the wrong side of 30.
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#938 » by skones » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:05 pm

CharityStripe34 wrote:In no universe is Bledsoe as good as Holiday. Especially in the post-season.

I wouldn't be shocked if in the Gianni/front-office meeting, Gianni told them "get me a PG who can shoot and throw me a decent lob."


So they went out and got a guy who shot:

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from distance to improve from:

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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#939 » by dbrodz7 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:11 pm

skones wrote:
CharityStripe34 wrote:In no universe is Bledsoe as good as Holiday. Especially in the post-season.

I wouldn't be shocked if in the Gianni/front-office meeting, Gianni told them "get me a PG who can shoot and throw me a decent lob."


So they went out and got a guy who shot:

.356
.337
.325
.353

from distance to improve from:

.335
.347
.329
.344


If only the regular season numbers were our f*cking problem :roll:
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#940 » by skones » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:19 pm

dbrodz7 wrote:
skones wrote:
CharityStripe34 wrote:In no universe is Bledsoe as good as Holiday. Especially in the post-season.

I wouldn't be shocked if in the Gianni/front-office meeting, Gianni told them "get me a PG who can shoot and throw me a decent lob."


So they went out and got a guy who shot:

.356
.337
.325
.353

from distance to improve from:

.335
.347
.329
.344


If only the regular season numbers were our f*cking problem :roll:


And you just bet 3 first round picks and 2 swaps on a guy with nearly identical production and a similar overall game? K.

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