Giannis SIGNS

[Diggr14]

Giannis is the Adrian Peterson of Basketball. Minus the ****. A very good star, but will never be the main reason we win a championship.

[Wooderson]

The roster building has been a disaster but an elite 1A player wins at least one ring the past three years with it

Curious as to how many elite 1A players you think there are and the odds the Bucks would actually win with them from 2019-2021? Keep in mind all the injuries guys at the top have had.

[blazza18]

The roster building has been a disaster but an elite 1A player wins at least one ring the past three years with it

Curious as to how many elite 1A players you think there are and the odds the Bucks would actually win with them from 2019-2021? Keep in mind all the injuries guys at the top have had.

Name your top 10 players and start there.

[MissKhriddleton]

From the second we knew Giannis was something special we should have been looking to acquire him a legit running mate. Instead we stubbornly stuck with Khris and tried to convince ourselves that it would be enough. And then gave away a bunch of draft picks to go all in with the Giannis/Khris combo when it was doomed from the start.

We could have been consolidating assets for the last 4 years, letting Giannis take his lumps in the playoffs trying to be the man, and be positioning ourselves to make a move a legit second star. Instead, we've given everything away, Giannis has still taken his lumps, and now we have no way of seriously improving the team moving forward.

[Bucksfan28]

The roster building has been a disaster but an elite 1A player wins at least one ring the past three years with it

Curious as to how many elite 1A players you think there are and the odds the Bucks would actually win with them from 2019-2021? Keep in mind all the injuries guys at the top have had.

Name your top 10 players and start there.

Curious to hear this list as well. I agree with the conclusion but idk if theres more than five guys that qualify. Thats also keeping in mind that the roster wouldnt change, so Im excluding dominant Cs like Jokic or Embiid. That'd be real funky w/ Brook.

LeBron, KD, Kawhi, and... Harden? Dame or Steph? A young Luka? Guess you also have to say AD but im not convinced.

Does this also assume Giannis would be on a different team? Lotta possibilities here. Might be a thought exercise best saved for the offseason

[yannisk]

The roster building has been a disaster but an elite 1A player wins at least one ring the past three years with it

In 2019 Leonard had Siakam, Lowry, Ibaka, Mark Gasol, VanVleet do you think Middleton, Mirotic, Bledsoe and Brook are better than these guys? what about Embiid, Butler, Simmons, Tobias etc? Not to mention Warriors and the Rockets

Let's take last year and look at the Clippers roster or the Lakers. Did we have a better roster than these teams last year? The problem is we did not reach to play these teams.

we are an '8' team that plays as '9'in the regular season and a '7'in the playoffs.

we try harder in the regular season and we built a false idea of how strong Bucks are. We never had the top roster (not always the top roster wins though). It is just that Giannis is MVP in the regular season and carries a good roster to look great. Then in the playoffs everybody takes things seriously and we are exposed.

[Baddy Chuck]

We could have been consolidating assets for the last 4 years

To be fair, we were. And then we were stuck with the Giannis extension looming and had to push our chips in. Realistically Harden demands out a month sooner, we might have that second star. Granted we did kind brush off two stars with warts (Jimmy and Kyrie) when they were available so who knows.

[Milbucks96]

I disagree about the roster building being bad over the last few years. It’s been hit or miss like every single team but idk if you could’ve put together a better roster with owners obviously ducking the tax and the market being undesirable. The main mistake the front office made was banking on Khris and Giannis developing into consistent playoff performers. These were championship rosters, as close as you’re going to get in Milwaukee at least.

[mattg]

We could have been consolidating assets for the last 4 years

To be fair, we were. And then we were stuck with the Giannis extension looming and had to push our chips in. Realistically Harden demands out a month sooner, we might have that second star. Granted we did kind brush off two stars with warts (Jimmy and Kyrie) when they were available so who knows.

We repeatedly shirked the idea of any other player who would even potentially take the ball out of Giannis's hands offensively, and now we have to live in the bed we made.

Also, Yannisk how are you going to just not even mention George Hill or Brogdon when comparing our roster to Toronto's in 2019? Hill was absolutely godly in the playoffs that year and Brogdon was hurt, but came back and averaged an efficient 15ppg vs Toronto. Those are HUGE contributors to just ignore.

[Milbucks96]

The roster building has been a disaster but an elite 1A player wins at least one ring the past three years with it

In 2019 Leonard had Siakam, Lowry, Ibaka, Mark Gasol, VanVleet do you think Middleton, Mirotic, Bledsoe and Brook are better than these guys? what about Embiid, Butler, Simmons, Tobias etc? Not to mention Warriors and the Rockets

Let's take last year and look at the Clippers roster or the Lakers. Did we have a better roster than these teams last year? The problem is we did not reach to play these teams.

we are an '8' team that plays as '9'in the regular season and a '7'in the playoffs.

we try harder in the regular season and we built a false idea of how strong Bucks are. We never had the top roster (not always the top roster wins though). It is just that Giannis is MVP in the regular season and carries a good roster to look great. Then in the playoffs everybody takes things seriously and we are exposed.

That 2019 roster was really **** good, idk if we beat the Warriors with the injuries or not but the bucks should’ve been in the finals and would’ve if it wasn’t for some all time choking. That’s starting to sound so familiar because you can say the same for this year already.

[yannisk]

We could have been consolidating assets for the last 4 years

To be fair, we were. And then we were stuck with the Giannis extension looming and had to push our chips in. Realistically Harden demands out a month sooner, we might have that second star. Granted we did kind brush off two stars with warts (Jimmy and Kyrie) when they were available so who knows.

we didn't draft well. They high picks were Jabari and Thon that proved bad for different reasons. Furthermore we did not identify that early and we lost them for practically nothing. Most other draft picks were useless apart from Brogdon that we lost because we did not want to spend money. We have only DDV to show for all our past picks (we also wasted a few to get away from bad contracts). Then we gave all the future ones plus players to get a good but not great Jrue. We have not found a single player from g-league or abroad. Wood could become an asset but we let him leave. We never signed a player cheaply (maybe Brook). All our contracts are on the expensive side. We still have Sanders and Leuer eating part of the cap space

The only assets this team has is Giannis and Middleton that were acquired many years ago by the universally hated Hammond. Tucker, Portis and Teague are one year rentals. Nobody would trade for Pat or Thanasis

[yannisk]

The roster building has been a disaster but an elite 1A player wins at least one ring the past three years with it

In 2019 Leonard had Siakam, Lowry, Ibaka, Mark Gasol, VanVleet do you think Middleton, Mirotic, Bledsoe and Brook are better than these guys? what about Embiid, Butler, Simmons, Tobias etc? Not to mention Warriors and the Rockets

Let's take last year and look at the Clippers roster or the Lakers. Did we have a better roster than these teams last year? The problem is we did not reach to play these teams.

we are an '8' team that plays as '9'in the regular season and a '7'in the playoffs.

we try harder in the regular season and we built a false idea of how strong Bucks are. We never had the top roster (not always the top roster wins though). It is just that Giannis is MVP in the regular season and carries a good roster to look great. Then in the playoffs everybody takes things seriously and we are exposed.

That 2019 roster was really **** good, idk if we beat the Warriors with the injuries or not but the bucks should’ve been in the finals and would’ve if it wasn’t for some all time choking. That’s starting to sound so familiar because you can say the same for this year already.

Seriously let's leave Giannis and Leonard out. Which do you think is a better roster?

Middleton Brook, Bledsoe, Mirotic, Hill or Siakam, Lowry, Ibaka, Mak Gasol, Van Vleet

I think Toronto is better, better defenders, more experienced, they have the better coach, better superstar, even if somebody has us better nobody would say we are a lot better

[CJTURT]

In 2019 Leonard had Siakam, Lowry, Ibaka, Mark Gasol, VanVleet do you think Middleton, Mirotic, Bledsoe and Brook are better than these guys? what about Embiid, Butler, Simmons, Tobias etc? Not to mention Warriors and the Rockets

Let's take last year and look at the Clippers roster or the Lakers. Did we have a better roster than these teams last year? The problem is we did not reach to play these teams.

we are an '8' team that plays as '9'in the regular season and a '7'in the playoffs.

we try harder in the regular season and we built a false idea of how strong Bucks are. We never had the top roster (not always the top roster wins though). It is just that Giannis is MVP in the regular season and carries a good roster to look great. Then in the playoffs everybody takes things seriously and we are exposed.

That 2019 roster was really **** good, idk if we beat the Warriors with the injuries or not but the bucks should’ve been in the finals and would’ve if it wasn’t for some all time choking. That’s starting to sound so familiar because you can say the same for this year already.

Seriously let's leave Giannis and Leonard out. Which do you think is a better roster?

Middleton Brook, Bledsoe, Mirotic, Hill or Siakam, Lowry, Ibaka, Mak Gasol, Van Vleet

I think Toronto is better, better defenders, more experienced, they have the better coach, better superstar, even if somebody has us better nobody would say we are a lot better

That Toronto team would probably win the championship this year. Well coached too

[All The Bucks]

From the second we knew Giannis was something special we should have been looking to acquire him a legit running mate. Instead we stubbornly stuck with Khris and tried to convince ourselves that it would be enough. And then gave away a bunch of draft picks to go all in with the Giannis/Khris combo when it was doomed from the start.

We could have been consolidating assets for the last 4 years, letting Giannis take his lumps in the playoffs trying to be the man, and be positioning ourselves to make a move a legit second star. Instead, we've given everything away, Giannis has still taken his lumps, and now we have no way of seriously improving the team moving forward.

The real waste was developing the guy as a point forward and then compounding it by trying to force him into developing a 3 point shot all while his body developed into a physical powerhouse. 6'9 skinny Giannis navigating and contorting his way through the lane, sure. 6'11, 255 lb Giannis being too big to avoid defenders without running them over, not so much. It's not too late to correct that ill-fated developmental focus. But the "Magic Giannis" and "Let it Fly" coaches screwed the pooch and failed to recognized what his body became.

[Pachinko_]

We could have been consolidating assets for the last 4 years

To be fair, we were. And then we were stuck with the Giannis extension looming and had to push our chips in. Realistically Harden demands out a month sooner, we might have that second star. Granted we did kind brush off two stars with warts (Jimmy and Kyrie) when they were available so who knows.

I don't think I've ever seen two NBA players hate each other more than Giannis and Harden. Normally I'd say they'll suck it up and play, but man those two really hate each other.

[skones]

The real waste was developing the guy as a point forward and then compounding it by trying to force him into developing a 3 point shot all while his body developed into a physical powerhouse. 6'9 skinny Giannis navigating and contorting his way through the lane, sure. 6'11, 255 lb Giannis being too big to avoid defenders without running them over, not so much. It's not too late to correct that ill-fated developmental focus. But the "Magic Giannis" and "Let it Fly" coaches screwed the pooch and failed to recognized what his body became.

Yes, point forward Giannis won two MVP's and it was the developmental coaches that "screwed the pooch." Do people listen to themselves? The ball handling, the getting downhill, and attacking the paint, at 6'11 255 lbs as you put it is literally the stuff that makes him unique and as dangerous as he is. He has plenty of warts and those are on Giannis. More than anything the issues are Giannis brain issues, nothing more, nothing less.

[Ruzious]

From the second we knew Giannis was something special we should have been looking to acquire him a legit running mate. Instead we stubbornly stuck with Khris and tried to convince ourselves that it would be enough. And then gave away a bunch of draft picks to go all in with the Giannis/Khris combo when it was doomed from the start.

We could have been consolidating assets for the last 4 years, letting Giannis take his lumps in the playoffs trying to be the man, and be positioning ourselves to make a move a legit second star. Instead, we've given everything away, Giannis has still taken his lumps, and now we have no way of seriously improving the team moving forward.

The real waste was developing the guy as a point forward and then compounding it by trying to force him into developing a 3 point shot all while his body developed into a physical powerhouse. 6'9 skinny Giannis navigating and contorting his way through the lane, sure. 6'11, 255 lb Giannis being too big to avoid defenders without running them over, not so much. It's not too late to correct that ill-fated developmental focus. But the "Magic Giannis" and "Let it Fly" coaches screwed the pooch and failed to recognized what his body became.

Not understanding how you wrote that knowing he's won 2 MVP's.

[ReasonablySober]

From the second we knew Giannis was something special we should have been looking to acquire him a legit running mate. Instead we stubbornly stuck with Khris and tried to convince ourselves that it would be enough. And then gave away a bunch of draft picks to go all in with the Giannis/Khris combo when it was doomed from the start.

We could have been consolidating assets for the last 4 years, letting Giannis take his lumps in the playoffs trying to be the man, and be positioning ourselves to make a move a legit second star. Instead, we've given everything away, Giannis has still taken his lumps, and now we have no way of seriously improving the team moving forward.

The real waste was developing the guy as a point forward and then compounding it by trying to force him into developing a 3 point shot all while his body developed into a physical powerhouse. 6'9 skinny Giannis navigating and contorting his way through the lane, sure. 6'11, 255 lb Giannis being too big to avoid defenders without running them over, not so much. It's not too late to correct that ill-fated developmental focus. But the "Magic Giannis" and "Let it Fly" coaches screwed the pooch and failed to recognized what his body became.

Not understanding how you wrote that knowing he's won 2 MVP's.

I get what he's saying. You wonder what Giannis would look like if he tried to be more Hakeem, less Kobe.

[All The Bucks]

The real waste was developing the guy as a point forward and then compounding it by trying to force him into developing a 3 point shot all while his body developed into a physical powerhouse. 6'9 skinny Giannis navigating and contorting his way through the lane, sure. 6'11, 255 lb Giannis being too big to avoid defenders without running them over, not so much. It's not too late to correct that ill-fated developmental focus. But the "Magic Giannis" and "Let it Fly" coaches screwed the pooch and failed to recognized what his body became.

Not understanding how you wrote that knowing he's won 2 MVP's.

I get what he's saying. You wonder what Giannis would look like if he tried to be more Hakeem, less Kobe.

Yeah I might have been a little too hyperbolic but did we not just witness how great a player Giannis is (and how much better teammate he is) in a game he shot zero threes and didn't force his way through walls?

[Jez2983]

Ironically, the dunk everything Giannis we wanted to destroy after losing to Toronto is the Giannis we need most now.