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Re: PG: Bucks Roll Over Detroit for 3rd Straight 

Post#61 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Jan 7, 2021 3:20 pm

Stagnating offense in the postseason has been the problem each of the last two years, so it's certainly a good sign that the new additions look to be meshing well and making the offense look even more elite. As has been pointed out numerous times, the defense has never been the issue, so we'll see if the defensive depth trade-off (Augustin/Forbes/Portis over Hill/Wes/Ersan/RoLo) is ultimately worth it.
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Re: PG: Bucks Roll Over Detroit for 3rd Straight 

Post#62 » by ABucksFan » Thu Jan 7, 2021 3:22 pm

Only way we can overcome Bud is if Giannis takes the next step against better teams.

Loved the Portis signing and love him even more now. Dude actually has fire and plays with emotion. Just a great situation and fit for him and the Bucks right now.

Nwora has some Middleton in him, but a little more athletic IMO. Hold and develop him.

Forbes is coming along very nicely, he'll go through some slumps, but you just have to let variance play out.

Past 2 games have been good for Giannis, just need to see it against better teams and coaches.
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Re: PG: Bucks Roll Over Detroit for 3rd Straight 

Post#63 » by LUKE23 » Thu Jan 7, 2021 3:27 pm

Nwora at 26 ppg per 36 at .656 TS.
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Re: PG: Bucks Roll Over Detroit for 3rd Straight 

Post#64 » by German Athens » Thu Jan 7, 2021 3:30 pm

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Still #1 (by a lot) adjusting for pace. Wouldn't expect us to remain so far in front since I wouldn't expect us to keep shooting 44% from 3 as a team.


This year, yeah, we’ve absolutely been the number 1 offense to start the season. I was alluding to the previous two seasons, we scored the most ppg, but I wouldn’t consider us the top offense those two years (we didn’t have the top off rating). This year is different, but we are shooting otherworldly at the moment.

I used the wrong tense in my previous post. “Have” should have been “had”.
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Post#65 » by LUKE23 » Thu Jan 7, 2021 3:33 pm

Offensive ratings recently for MIL:

2018-19: 113.8 (4th)
2019-20: 112.4 (8th)
2020-21: 120.8 (1st)

I don't think we keep that pace up, although I think O Ratings will be higher this year with no fans (fans seem to impact defense more positively, and no fans helps shooting numbers). I do think we will be the top offense in the league though, given the talent and the number of top level 3 point shooters we have.
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Re: PG: Bucks Roll Over Detroit for 3rd Straight 

Post#66 » by HaroldinGMinor » Thu Jan 7, 2021 3:51 pm

Seems like there are four or five guys on this team that could get a triple-double on any given night.
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Post#67 » by ElPeregrino » Thu Jan 7, 2021 4:29 pm

Our shooting is unsustainable. We're shooting an NBA record 44% from three. If we were shooting a respectable 37% from three, we would have 66 fewer points on the season and our offensive rating would rank 10th in the league which is right in line with where we were last year.
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Post#68 » by Fotis St » Thu Jan 7, 2021 4:34 pm

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Fotis St wrote:fire Bud for not playing Sam Merrill while 34 points up and letting Thanasis playmake


Merrill is still out with a left ankle sprain.

Sorry, I didn't read the health status.
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Post#69 » by LUKE23 » Thu Jan 7, 2021 4:34 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:Our shooting is unsustainable. We're shooting an NBA record 44% from three. If we were shooting a respectable 37% from three, we would have 66 fewer points on the season and our offensive rating would rank 10th in the league which is right in line with where we were last year.


That's a pretty odd way to look at it, dropping ours to 37% while everyone else's percentage stays the same.

I do agree we won't sustain .437 from 3, but we have good shooters and they should get a lot of open looks in this offense.
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Post#70 » by Turk Nowitzki » Thu Jan 7, 2021 4:36 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:It's weird watching the Bucks this season and cringing when Giannis gets the ball, waiting for the worst. On any given possession there's at least two other guys I want putting the ball up.

It's been interesting for sure. Doesn't really matter now but it absolutely will matter when he's jacking up some of those shots in the playoffs against good teams rather than Jrue or Khris.
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Re: PG: Bucks Roll Over Detroit for 3rd Straight 

Post#71 » by Turk Nowitzki » Thu Jan 7, 2021 4:41 pm

Really glad Pat's injury has forced Bud to give Nwora some playing time with the regular rotation. I think he needs it to get a bit more comfortable in our schemes but he has extreme confidence in his shooting and he makes a lot more than he misses so far. Should be very valuable experience. Still have no idea how he lasted to pick #45 given his specific skillset.
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Post#72 » by CharityStripe34 » Thu Jan 7, 2021 4:46 pm

I'll also echo sentiments that Holiday has been underutilized. I'm wondering if they're trying to ease him into his role and the offense as a whole.

I'm hoping by the end of the season that Gianni begins evolving into the same dominant force he is without the huge usage rate, and Holiday's role as primary initiator increases a good amount.
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Post#73 » by Wonka » Thu Jan 7, 2021 4:57 pm

CharityStripe34 wrote:I'll also echo sentiments that Holiday has been underutilized. I'm wondering if they're trying to ease him into his role and the offense as a whole.

I'm hoping by the end of the season that Gianni begins evolving into the same dominant force he is without the huge usage rate, and Holiday's role as primary initiator increases a good amount.


He’s too talented and we paid too high a price for him to be ball watching from the weak side. I can’t imagine this is what he had in mind for his role either. Bud has to give him some shine
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Post#74 » by LUKE23 » Thu Jan 7, 2021 6:03 pm

Holiday will be utilized more as the season progresses and we need him against tougher competition. That Pistons team is literally one of the worst teams I ever remember watching, and I'm a Bucks fan.
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Post#75 » by msiris » Thu Jan 7, 2021 6:09 pm

ABucksFan wrote:Only way we can overcome Bud is if Giannis takes the next step against better teams.

Loved the Portis signing and love him even more now. Dude actually has fire and plays with emotion. Just a great situation and fit for him and the Bucks right now.

Nwora has some Middleton in him, but a little more athletic IMO. Hold and develop him.

Forbes is coming along very nicely, he'll go through some slumps, but you just have to letiance play out.

Past 2 games have been good for Giannis, just need to see it against better teams and coaches.
Giannis is a great player and all but he is flawed. You can only expect so much out of him. I have no faith in Bud. We keep changing players thinking thats the problem. We will find out after this year for sure. All I know is what I see now. The same prbmlems keep popping up that prevent us from being elite
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Post#76 » by skones » Thu Jan 7, 2021 6:15 pm

CharityStripe34 wrote:I'll also echo sentiments that Holiday has been underutilized. I'm wondering if they're trying to ease him into his role and the offense as a whole.

I'm hoping by the end of the season that Gianni begins evolving into the same dominant force he is without the huge usage rate, and Holiday's role as primary initiator increases a good amount.


This is Jrue Holiday. Despite his talent, he has a tendency to become a ghost.
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Re: PG: Bucks Roll Over Detroit for 3rd Straight 

Post#77 » by Ruzious » Thu Jan 7, 2021 6:22 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Nwora at 26 ppg per 36 at .656 TS.

I'd like to see his minutes double - currently 10.2 per game.
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Re: PG: Bucks Roll Over Detroit for 3rd Straight 

Post#78 » by Shaffty » Thu Jan 7, 2021 6:32 pm

Turns out it takes a new addition a while to wrangle the ball handling reigns away from 2 guys who have been on the team for 8 years.
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Re: PG: Bucks Roll Over Detroit for 3rd Straight 

Post#79 » by schmdal » Thu Jan 7, 2021 6:40 pm

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emunney wrote:
Still #1 (by a lot) adjusting for pace. Wouldn't expect us to remain so far in front since I wouldn't expect us to keep shooting 44% from 3 as a team.


This year, yeah, we’ve absolutely been the number 1 offense to start the season. I was alluding to the previous two seasons, we scored the most ppg, but I wouldn’t consider us the top offense those two years (we didn’t have the top off rating). This year is different, but we are shooting otherworldly at the moment.

I used the wrong tense in my previous post. “Have” should have been “had”.


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Re: PG: Bucks Roll Over Detroit for 3rd Straight 

Post#80 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Jan 7, 2021 6:44 pm

He's the 3rd leading scorer on the team so I'm not sure what people were expecting. Maybe his usage gets bumped up a bit the more he gets acclimated to the offense, but Holiday is a guy who's much better off as a secondary play-maker and a 15-18 PPG dude who can exert maximum effort on defense. Part of the reason those Pelicans teams never went anywhere was because they asked him to be a higher usage volume scorer the past several years, and that's just not his best role.

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